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Old 08-18-2013, 10:01 AM   #111
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Here's a 2007 debate between Aslan and Sam Harris on the subject of Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjcvZoxT9Q

I have to say, I don't like this Aslan twerp at all. He comes across as a smug "liberal Muslim" version of Dinesh D'Souza, constantly telling Harris that he (Harris) simply doesn't understand the complexities of Islam. Only religious scholars like him are qualified to discuss religion. Yet Harris is the only one on stage who sounds reasonable and logical.
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Here's a 2007 debate between Aslan and Sam Harris on the subject of Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjcvZoxT9Q

I have to say, I don't like this Aslan twerp at all. He comes across as a smug "liberal Muslim" version of Dinesh D'Souza, constantly telling Harris that he (Harris) simply doesn't understand the complexities of Islam. Only religious scholars like him are qualified to discuss religion. Yet Harris is the only one on stage who sounds reasonable and logical.
The argument for an HJ of Nazareth MUST be supported by Logical fallacies whether Aslan is Muslim, Christian, Jew or Atheist.

There is simply no corroboration of Nazareth or Jesus of Nazareth by non-apologetics.
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The Passions are fiction, but Paul says Jesus was crucified. He gives no details, but it shows that the crucifixion belief preceded the writing of the Gospels.
I don't know if the epistles precede the Gospels -- perhaps they do -- but "Paul" is getting all of his information about Christ Jesus from the Septuagint as well.
If we accept that the passion stories are fiction, then how do we situate the crucifixion in time and place?
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Hmmm,

Can we safely assume he didn't like it?

Fictional Che-Guevera?

Historically, rebels have always been portrayed as bandits and outlaws. That's how they maintain their existence. They rob the (il)legitimate government of their (un)rightful taxes and other forms of income. Shame! Shame! We ALL know that the fact that the (il)legitimate government wields a sword is a de-facto sign that God has appointed them to use up rule as they see fit.

Can't help the fact that the way the Romans seem to have depicted him (an illegitimate royal claimant amenable to execution by crucifixion) corresponds with the way Josephus depicts anti-Roman rebels.

Perhaps the reviewer thinks we should just stick to the received fiction?

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LA Times review of Jesus the Zealot

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/reza...evara_partner/
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LA Times review of Jesus the Zealot

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/reza...evara_partner/
Actually that's not from the LA Times - it's a Salon.com reprint from something called the "Los Angeles Review of Books" - a web based magazine that was started after the LA Times abolished its Sunday book section (an event that still rankles LA readers, but I digress. . . )

The author is the nominally Jewish, Romanian-American surrealist NPR commentator, Andrei Codrescu (né Joseph Stern) who escaped communist Romania as a teenager (which may put some of the references to Marxism in context.)

The LARB has published the first chapter of Aslan's book plus a symposium of three essays here, if you want more reading.
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......We ALL know that the fact that the (il)legitimate government wields a sword is a de-facto sign that God has appointed them to use up rule as they see fit.

Including Christian emperors.

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Including Christian emperors.

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It neither sleeps or is deceived.

Thanks for asking Iskander.










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In his article “The Quest for the Magical Jesus,” from the October 26, 1978 issue, Frank Kermode wrote about the impulse to discover a history behind the canonical account:

Most of us have a passion for secret history, for the real dirt concealed by the official version. There is a gross justification for our interest, for experience shows that official versions almost invariably have a lot to hide; and there is a subtler one, which is that the most truth-seeking of narratives has to achieve consonances and illusions of simple causality which are incompatible with a desire to tell all. Of course, the story we want—absolutely candid, free of the guilt and bias of the official version—is itself subject to similar distortions and omissions, and just as incapable of bridging the gap between the written text and something that is supposed to have actually happened. But we want it all the same (“So that’s how it really was! Now that makes more sense”) and believe it because it was suppressed, and is therefore more fun to believe; or because, since it reveals error and duplicity in something else, it seems to be ex officio on the side of truth.





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