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Old 05-31-2013, 12:27 AM   #71
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It can be easily seen that gMark has priority to the Pauline Corpus.

The Jesus in gMark was NOT a universal Savior and claimed he deliberately spoke in parables so that the outsiders would NOT be converted.

In fact, in gMark not even the disciples understood the parables unless Jesus explained them in Private.
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Why does this make gMark earlier?
How do we know that gMark is earlier than gMatthew?

By logical deduction and the available evidence from antiquity from multiple sources. The details about the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics, gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.

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The Pauline Jesus was a Universal Savior to the Jews First and to the Gentiles.
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Why does this make gMark earlier?
How do we know that gMark was composed before gLuke? By logical deduction using the available evidence from antiquity from multiple sources. The details about the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.

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The claim that Jesus died for the Sins of all mankind is a Late invention in the Canon--No such thing is in the early version of the Jesus story.
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How do you know what is early?
How do we know gMark was composed before gJohn? By logical deduction using the present available evidence from multiple sources. The details about the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics, gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.

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gMark is NOT about Salvation but about the Betrayal, Abandonment, Denial and Rejection of the Son of God by the Jews and the disciples of Jesus.

gMark was written as propaganda to explain that it was because of the Evil Jews the Temple Fell and Jerusalem was made desolate.

The story in gMark was late changed to Universal Salvation by Sacrifice and then by the resurrection in the Pauline letters.
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What method can you use to show what is earlier?
How do we know that gMark was written before Acts of the Apostles?

By logical deduction using the present available evidence from multiple sources. The details about the last supper, the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics, gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.
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It can be easily seen that gMark has priority to the Pauline Corpus.

The Jesus in gMark was NOT a universal Savior and claimed he deliberately spoke in parables so that the outsiders would NOT be converted.

In fact, in gMark not even the disciples understood the parables unless Jesus explained them in Private.
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Why does this make gMark earlier?
How do we know that gMark is earlier than gMatthew?

By logical deduction and the available evidence from antiquity from multiple sources. The details about the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics, gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.

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The Pauline Jesus was a Universal Savior to the Jews First and to the Gentiles.
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Why does this make gMark earlier?
How do we know that gMark was composed before gLuke? By logical deduction using the available evidence from antiquity from multiple sources. The details about the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.

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The claim that Jesus died for the Sins of all mankind is a Late invention in the Canon--No such thing is in the early version of the Jesus story.
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How do you know what is early?
How do we know gMark was composed before gJohn? By logical deduction using the present available evidence from multiple sources. The details about the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics, gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.

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gMark is NOT about Salvation but about the Betrayal, Abandonment, Denial and Rejection of the Son of God by the Jews and the disciples of Jesus.

gMark was written as propaganda to explain that it was because of the Evil Jews the Temple Fell and Jerusalem was made desolate.

The story in gMark was late changed to Universal Salvation by Sacrifice and then by the resurrection in the Pauline letters.
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What method can you use to show what is earlier?

How do we know that gMark was written before Acts of the Apostles?
By logical deduction using the present available evidence from multiple sources. The details about the last supper, the resurrection, and the christology of the Pauline Corpus are far more advanced than the Synoptics, gJohn, Acts of the Apostles, the non-Pauline writings and Revelation.
Cutting through the rhetoric, you don't have an answer to any of the questions.
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Cutting through the rhetoric, you don't have an answer to any of the questions.
Do you not understand what is "logical deduction" using the evidence from multiple sources?

There are hundreds of texts about the Jesus story and one must understand the Jesus story to make proper arguments.
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Cutting through the rhetoric, you don't have an answer to any of the questions.
Do you not understand what is "logical deduction" using the evidence from multiple sources?
Most arguments with regard to the literature we are dealing with are in fact induction.

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There are hundreds of texts about the Jesus story and one must understand the Jesus story to make proper arguments.
So you assert that there is a single "Jesus story"?
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Most arguments with regard to the literature we are dealing with are in fact induction.
Please provide the evidence for what you say.
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Most arguments with regard to the literature we are dealing with are in fact induction.
Please provide the evidence for what you say.
Unfortunately, you seem not to know what the terms mean. Your request is evidence of this.
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Most arguments with regard to the literature we are dealing with are in fact induction.
Please provide the evidence for what you say.
Unfortunately, you seem not to know what the terms mean. Your request is evidence of this.
I have exposed your fallacy that "Most arguments with regard to the literature we are dealing with are in fact induction."

You seem completely unaware that one can apply logical deductions to the information found in ancient texts.
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