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Old 08-15-2012, 10:10 PM   #261
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They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.[Mark 6:13]

You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. [Luke 7:46]

She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial.[Mark 14:7]

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.[Mark 16:1]
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But it's not what you'd expect
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The thing I find interesting is that the gospel does not have a real 'anointing' narrative - strange for someone allegedly called 'the Christ.'
Literal anointing was mere picture painting for limited minds, representative of spiritual reality. If one expects mere repetition, one has totally missed the point.

Why do so many claim to follow Christ, even though most palpably fail to do so? Why do so many argue about a man called 'the Christ', often with utterly idiotic 'arguments'? Precisely because the dynamic of OT anointing, sacrifice and lordship, are recognised as realities in the minds of almost all in the world. Jesus did not need to be literally anointed. He is recognised as 'anointed' because of his action— as he said he would be.
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Excellent parallels Joe. Samuel lies behind quite a bit of Mark....
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:21 AM   #265
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I've demonstrated that Literary Criticism supports the supposed baptism of Jesus by John as fiction. You also have the possible anachronism of the baptism itself. Most Jews of Jesus' supposed time did not get baptized. At the time of the writing of the Christian Bible, baptism is a defining moment for Christianity. Thus, a better question in the context of HJ/MJ than whether Jesus got baptized by John is if Jesus got baptized.


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I've demonstrated that Literary Criticism supports the supposed baptism of Jesus by John as fiction.
Obviously, Joe has not read the thread.
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I've demonstrated that Literary Criticism supports the supposed baptism of Jesus by John as fiction.
Obviously, Joe has not read the thread.
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Speaking of reading, regarding Source Criticism we can only guess, but I can safely say that it is more likely that "Mark" could read than that he knew someone who knew Jesus.


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I've demonstrated that Literary Criticism supports the supposed baptism of Jesus by John as fiction.
Obviously, Joe has not read the thread.
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Speaking of reading, regarding Source Criticism we can only guess, but I can safely say
Safely? :constern02:

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that it is more likely that "Mark" could read than that he knew someone who knew Jesus.
Whatever this author knew, whomever he knew, he did not get inspiration for an invention from David.
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Whatever this author knew, whomever he knew, he did not get inspiration for an invention from [historical]David.
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In an irony that I think the author of "Mark" would really appreciate, we finally agree.



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Whatever this author knew, whomever he knew, he did not get inspiration for an invention from [historical]David.

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