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Haram

Are we going to discuss Moses writing the Pentateuch again?

I quoted a verse above

Here we see a reference to Teraphim.

The new JPS (1985) goes

Anyway we see this word in Gen 31:19,34, and 35 in Jacob's flight from Lavan where Rachel steals the teraphim from Lavan.

The sages look at this passage to gain insight into what it means -

The teraphim spoke (it was probably a dead baby) which is why Rachel sitting on the thing (while she was having her period) perhaps to keep it from speaking to Lavan is so funny.

However, the distance between Jacob and when 2 Kings is written is probably more than a thousand years.

How could such a nasty thing be so common over such a long stretch of time?

Seems like these things were common in the first/second temple eras. Doesn't seem like Moses would have written this.

Duvduv

I guess you don't know that the word "haram" in Arabic means "forbidden."

outhouse

Sorry to spoil your assertion, its from their books.

It may have been posted already in this thread, if not it was in duvs last thread. He has seen the statements.

But for you.

http://people.stfx.ca/bmacdona/The%2...Israelites.ppt



Finkelstein’s Position on the Emergence of Israel:

Much in common with two previous waves of occupation in these areas;

processes of sedentarization and nomadization of indigenous groups in response to changing conditions;

much of Iron I settlement was part of a long-term cycle:

the early Israelites were, in fact, Canaanites.

Toto

The proper cite would then be the title of the book, the author, the date of publication, and page numbers.

A power point slide will not do. I am not going to download that file.

I think you are probably right, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO GIVE A CITE.

outhouse

And that is what counts.


Can you cite all your knowledge?

outhouse

Doesn't need to be downloaded, I provided the exact quote.


Not only that it was the first reference I could find for your personal pleasure, im not digging deep for common knowledge. :constern02:

Toto

No, that is not what counts.

If I make an assertion, I will try to back it up with the source. If I claim something is a fact, I will provide a citation.

Duvduv evidently has some issue with your assertions. If they are so clearly true, you should be able to find some reference, so we don't have this continual unproductive exchange of claims.

steve_bnk

What is your alternate threory?

'...
how do you know that the names that you call Canaanite deities did not originate as names for the one God as cultures devolved into paganism..'


You made a similar argument on Noah, as to Gilgamesh possibly being inspired by the Noah story and not the other away around.

Can you lay out an archeological time line to support the idea of Judaism being a root source of anything?


You trend to resort to accusation of argument from authority, but you offer no refutations. As on the Exodus thread, you are left with maintaining there could be evidence and there could be alternative explanations for the lack o evidence.

Of course, anything is possible.

A Christian I knew insisted ancient Jews invented mathematics. What math system did the ancient Jews use?

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In a thread on Judaism one would think you (a haredi Jew) would be using the Hebrew term Herem which isn't difficult to spell. Why not just say forbidden?

The Arabic word you refer to is probably Haraam.

My knowledge of Arabic is limited to a few cuss words.

Grog

Let me help you. I am pretty sure that quote is from the Bible Unearthed (or via: amazon.co.uk)

I don't know the page number, though.

More evidence that Judaism evolved out of previously existing religions.