mountainman

Ah yes the train wreck. I still have outstanding questions about that, such as the question why does the word "therapeutic" denote healing, and how is this related to the "worship of Jewish gods". But it would appear that such questions do not conform to the charter of free thought and discussion.

The propaganda machine of the early church seems to have twisted a number of concepts away from the classical Greek (pagan) conception of these concepts. The early church had a job to do and it would appear that they have been very successful to date at redefining what is to be believed and what is not to be believed about historical realities in the Roman Empire after the hostile Nicaean takeover of the classical Greek (pagan) hegemon by means of a holy writ written in Greek.





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Iskander

http://biblos.com/mark/5-12.htm

The Nestle –Aland, Novum Testamentum Graece, ISBN 9783438051004 leave out daimones

mountainman

Thanks Iskander for the reference to the biblesuite concordance.

This source provides only the one reference for Strong's Greek 1142 δαίμων (daimón).

From here:

I wonder why the Blueletter Bible concordance for Strong's Number 1142 lists 5 occurrences ....

What's with the variation here?
Can anyone explain this?




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Iskander

Good work, mountainman

Adela Yabro Collins,
Mark. A commentary
Hermeneia
Fortress Press, ISBN 978 0800660789


In note g to Mark 5:12

Professor Collins says that the earliest recoverable reading does not mention daimon and translates as “they entreated him, saying”. The other variants may be explained as resulting from attempts to clarify that the subject is the demons (and not the pigs mentioned in the previous verse).


My comment:
It seems that someone made what ought to have been an explanatory footnote a part of the sacred text inspired by god and hence the eternal truth

Iskander

Lol! There are indeed a lot of pompous people making a living in the religion industry and being rewarded with the same lavish invisible robes of the famous emperor. They have also become addicted to claiming a superior revealed knowledge and the exercise of intimidation and censorship.


As the colossal Paul said, those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple. The wonderful thing about the legislation on human rights is that those who are employed in pissing in the temple also get their food from the same industry.


1 Corinthians 9:13
Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is sacrificed on the altar?14In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

andrewcriddle

Mark 5:12 and Luke 8:29 read "daimon" in the TR (the text behind the AV/KJV) and in most later manuscripts.

Andrew Criddle

mountainman

Thanks very much Andrew. Still doing background reading on the OP. Here is an article at a site called "biblestudying.net" that provides the current hegemon. Here the term "diamon" is lumped in together with its related terms, and subverted from "guardian spirit" (its original Greek meaning) to "evil spirit" (its Christian meaning according to the TR of Matthew, Mark and Luke)

Spiritual Warfare Part 3c - Biblical/Historic View of Angels & Demons


Notice the title "Spiritual Warfare".

It might as well read "[Christian] Spiritual Warfare".

The Guardian spirit ["diamon"] lost to the Holy spirit.

More to follow ....




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Toto

Websites that talk about "Spiritual Warfare" are tipping you off that they are run by an offbeat branch of Christianity and are not interested in modern secular views of the bible.

From http://www.biblestudying.net/beliefs.html

:rolling:

i.e., BURN IN HELL YOU HERETIC

mountainman

Here's another definition of the Greek "daimon" that mentions a change of meaning in the term following the life of Pythagoras.

daimon


psyche



It seems reasonably clear to me at this stage in the investigation into the subversion and demonisation of the Greek "daimon" [as the personal "guardian spirit" of men (and women)] by the Gospel authors, that these people were engaged in psychological operations.

Psychological_Operations




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mountainman

Here is a comment made by April DeConick on her blog article entitled That Platonic Daimon again... in regard to the use of the term applied to Judas in the Coptic Gospel of Judas. She discusses how the gnostics may have used the term "daimon" and whether or not the gnostics used the word in the same way that Plato did.

The main argument reduces to two points, the first of which is stated as follows:


This is a parallel to the OP. In the case of the OP the Christian gospel authors appear NOT to have used the same meaning, they have denigrated the meaning of "daimon" from "Guardian spirit" to "evil demon".


Following the parallel to the OP the above may be paraphrased:

When a word is reappropriated (as the Christians did with Plato's ideas), meanings alter sometimes substantially. So what we have to do is figure out the tradition that has reappropriated the term, and how this reappropriation has been done.

In this case, it would appear, unless anyone can raise any objections, that the Christians reappropriated the term from the Greek philosophical and literary traditions.

The reappropriation appears to have been done for the explicit purpose of demonising one of the more central concepts in Greek philosophy - the concept of the "guardian spirit" or "heavenly twin".




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