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Old 07-08-2013, 12:14 PM   #151
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Problem there is Jesus was being written about decades after his death, and those circumstance match the cultural anthropology to a T for the time.


Moses is surrounded in 100% mythology in a ahistorical fabricated history, written about 700 ish years after his supposed time.


I cant see Moses as anything but fictional from a possible refrated memory
Oral histories and traditions are notoriously difficult to trace. .

True for most.

Noah is simple.




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The entire Exodus story is weird as hell. Where did that come from?

They viewed Egypt as the enemy, but i will say it reflects refracted memories so far in the past mixed with outright fiction to build a new identity.

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Previous Egyptian occupation of Canaan? Possibly

Possible

You also had semetic tribes that went in and out of Egypt via trans jordan during good and bad times.

You also have the possibility of a escaped small group that fled egypt and its memories turned into mythology and expanded on at a later date.

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, but then why the whole "40 years in the desert" bit?
40 is ripe thoughout all these books, as interpreted too "a while" or "long time". Not a literal 40 years.

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There may have been an individual who introduced (or popularized) the idea of a single god giving the law to the people - that would have been enough of a foundation. Or the whole thing could have been nothing more than stories told around the fire for generations, until they took on a life of their own
There is no mystery here at all.


King Josiah was a strict Yahwist and the party who is directly responsible for monotheism in Judaism.


Go back and watch the vid I posted. It explains this with a very high degree of accuracy.
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the biblical texts say that there was an ash fall:

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It says they took ash from the fire. If your going to read it literally, please read ty correctly.
Actually the term used is kibshan, which literally means 'furnace'. Ash from a furnace does indeed look like ash from a volcano, which is no doubt why they used this term.




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And then they say there was a tsunami:
No it doesnt, that is your opinion that isnt even substantiated with a litreral reading. Parting the seas is not a tsunami.
Actually it says tavek - 'among' the sea, rather in the middle of it. And if you are believing the addition that there were two walls of sea either side, you must be a literalist fundamentalist and somewhat detached from reality. Have any 'walls of sea' been spotted recently? Not even on out 24-hour news coverage? No, of course not.

Have you never seen a literary exaggeration for effect before? Have you never seen a Hollywood film? Do you believe that all Hollywood films portray the absolute truth and the absolute reality?

It was a tsunami, pure and simple. More than that, it was an eye-witness account. Without ever having watched TV, how many people here would have guessed that during a 'tidal wave' the sea disappears before coming back again? Me neither. The strong suggestion, therefore, is that this is an eye witness account. And there was only one tsunami to hit Egypt in the 2,000 years BC, and that was the Thera eruption.




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And if you read Josephus Flavius, he clearly states that the Israelites were the Hyksos people of Egypt
He states its from Mantheo.
No, this is Josephus' own assessment of the facts, he is not simply quoting Manetho.




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It also goes against ALL archeological evidence to date.
We now know more then they ever could have known.
No, it fits every piece of the archaeological information - including the Tempest Stele and the destruction of Jericho.

All the evidence suggests that the Hyksos destroyed Jericho, and if the Hyksos were the Israelites we now know why this account was included in the Torah. Why else was a 16th century BC destruction of Jericho included in the Exodus account - if the Exodus happened in the 13th century BC? Tell us that, Outhouse.




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Evidence of one exodus does not exist, let alone two.
Yes it does.

The Hyksos exodus is well documented. And the people who went on this exodus:

Endured 3 days of darkness and hail. (Tempest Stele)
Had a battle with the (Upper) Egyptians.
Took money and goods from the (Upper) Egyptians.
Wore curly side-locks of hair.
Wore earrings.
Were known as shepherds. (Shepherd Kings)
Had a leader called Jacoba. (Jacob)
Left from Pi Ramesse. (Avaris)
Went to Jerusalem.
Destroyed Jericho.

Sound familiar?

The abandonment of Amarna is also a historical reality. Thus we know these people also went on an Exodus, even if we are not sure where to. Thus there are two historical exoduses from Egypt - the Hyksos and the Akhenaton exoduses.




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You would also have to explain why these people used Canaanite pottery, alphabet and deities. You cannot.
Because most of them did not go to Canaan. Some may have reached there, but most stopped their exodus in the northern Delta, in a region that became Tanis. The evidence for this is the later Hyksos finds in the Delta, and also in the history of the United Monarchy.

Why cannot any evidence for the United Monarchy be found in Judaea, eh? It is all a part of the same conundrum. Answers on a postcard....



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Noah is simple.

Noah (Nuach) is the Egyptian Nu - which refers to the great sea of the cosmos in the celestial heavens above. It was Ra who sailed his celestial boat across the waters of Nu (no doubt with Nuach as his helmsman).

And do remember that in Egyptian theology, the world only began when the Primaeval Mound emerged from the watery chaos of Nu. And no doubt the Primaeval Mound ended up with the Barque of Ra (or the Ark of Nuah) sitting on top of it.


All of which does mean mean that we still have Noah's Ark with us, to this very day. In fact, we still have both of them (if President Morsi has not destroyed them). They were/are still buried below the western face of the Great Pyramid.

These great celestial boats were the Barques of Ra to sail the Nu - or the Arks of Noah.



An image of Nua's Ark.


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Why cannot any evidence for the United Monarchy be found in Judaea,

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David may have historicty, but I view the monarchy as fabricated, which of course has nothing to do with the pseudohistory your trying inanely to push.
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Noah is simple.

Noah (Nuach) is the Egyptian Nu - .
All pseudohistory


We know exactly where Noahs mythology originates, and most scholars follow Gilgamesh and Ziusudra as even the wording is correct in many places.

The flood is even attested to 2900 BC when the Euphrates overflowed its banks


Get real.:constern02:
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The way I see it, 'Judaism' is the name of a religion. Do you see it differently?
A homogenous religion to be specific, within multi cultural people's.

The problem many have is understanding the foundation of this religion existed before its people ever did exist.

And like all ancient religions it evolved heavily in time.

So there is no one man ever followed who started anything at its core or foundation. All one can do is pick a part at a specific time and describe how different individuals had changed it from previous views.
Thank you, but that doesn't answer my question. Do you agree that 'Judaism' is the name of a religion or not?
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A homogenous religion to be specific, within multi cultural people's.

The problem many have is understanding the foundation of this religion existed before its people ever did exist.

And like all ancient religions it evolved heavily in time.

So there is no one man ever followed who started anything at its core or foundation. All one can do is pick a part at a specific time and describe how different individuals had changed it from previous views.
Thank you, but that doesn't answer my question. Do you agree that 'Judaism' is the name of a religion or not?

Sure, yes.
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Why do the Jewish people so strongly believe that they were chosen by God, and that their laws came from God, and why have THEY survived while other countries that also may have felt 'chosen' have not?

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A Semitic, desert tribe wrote a book in which it glorified itself and convinced itself that it was the tribe of destiny backed by its own tribal deity. It was successful in war and invading other tribal territories, but its victories were short-lived and its view as a special group led to an arrogance that other cultures disliked and resisted. Never large in numbers, its main claim to fame was the derivative Abrahamic religions of Christianity and Islam.
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Why do the Jewish people so strongly believe that they were chosen by God, and that their laws came from God, and why have THEY survived while other countries that also may have felt 'chosen' have not?

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A Semitic, desert tribe wrote a book in which it glorified itself and convinced itself that it was the tribe of destiny backed by its own tribal deity. It was successful in war and invading other tribal territories, but its victories were short-lived and its view as a special group led to an arrogance that other cultures disliked and resisted. Never large in numbers, its main claim to fame was the derivative Abrahamic religions of Christianity and Islam.
It is worse than that. I’m always surprised at the amount of hatred the Jewish believers –as opposed to just Jewish—show against “the worshippers of the bastard son of a whore” , those Jewish zealots call Christians “ idolaters” and compare them unfavourably to Muslims.

Muslims are not guilty of idolatry , they say,and it is ok to enter a mosque and use the name Allah (god) if they live in a Muslim country. Christians belong to the devil, their churches are forbidden and the name of Jesus never to be acknowledged...
We are Amalekites to them
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A Semitic, desert tribe wrote a book in which it glorified itself and convinced itself that it was the tribe of destiny backed by its own tribal deity. It was successful in war and invading other tribal territories, but its victories were short-lived and its view as a special group led to an arrogance that other cultures disliked and resisted. Never large in numbers, its main claim to fame was the derivative Abrahamic religions of Christianity and Islam.
I am interested in what you might propose for how this desert tribe, nomadic it would seem, "wrote a book" like the old testament.
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