J-D

Your words were 'no one needs a deity', and that statement contradicts your other statement that deities were needed. 'Deities were needed by them' and 'they needed deities' have exactly the same meaning; it's a flat contradiction to affirm one and deny the other.

J-D

I have never used the expression 'whole cloth', or any expression I consider equivalent, and I don't think using it gives a fair representation of any position I have taken. I think you err in attributing that to me. I am fairly confident that I have made explicit statements to the contrary.

outhouse

You would be correct if they lived reality, buy they didn't.

They lived mythology did they not?

Our reality is not there's. Hope that clears the confusion.

J-D

I don't think so. Nobody lives in mythology. Everybody lives in reality, and so did everybody who ever has lived.

Grog

If you attribute the origins of a religious belief to an individual preacher, then where did that religious belief come from if not from that preacher out of "whole cloth?"

The examples you give are either a) not new religions (like Luther) or b) created out of whole cloth (Scientology, Mormonism).

Grog

Yet you maintain that all religions begin with an individual preaching a message that is accepted by followers. Couldn't it be that the origins that you cannot name a founder for are obscure because the religious beliefs themselves evolved and were not originated by a single individual who preached a message that was accepted by followers?

outhouse

I did not say "in" mythology

Their lives however were surrounded by religious belief, part of the definition of Judaism is "a way of life" is it not?

outhouse

Well I whole heartedly agree when it comes to Judaism Grog.

semiopen

Have to admit that I had no intention of watching the video.

I tried looking up the comment that mentioned 9:52 in 2 Kings and Chronicles before I realized that it was a time.

Then I listened to the video with my headphones while doing something else and figured the weirdos chanting in the background were like an introduction. After several minutes of this I actually looked at the screen and saw it was like a powerpoint thing.

Mainly I was interested in Josiah. Let me leave some random notes because I've sort of lost track of what we were talking about.

Josiah was apparently historical - supposedly killed at Megiddo in 609 BCE. Josiah let the temporary power vacuum in the area go to his head..

There are a couple of things worth noting, 609 BCE wasn't long before the Babylonian exile, in fact Megiddo was a direct cause That means the stuff in 2 Kings and Chronicles couldn't have been been written before the exile.

Every one but Duvi has an opinion on the "Book of the Law" that was found in the temple.

The link below is a reference in the wiki

The Book of Josiah's Reform

Somehow they talk themselves into Moses being the author

Duvduv

If you are asking me what the traditional Jewish view is going back to the Talmud, then I can tell you that the book they found was the original book of the entire Torah that had Bern written by Moses himself. Anything else on this? They had their own other copies, but not Moses' original one which had disappeared, probabl y at the time of the kings Achaz or Menashe.
The Josiah reform in this regard is fanciful speculation of Graetz and other creative writers.