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It is most remarkable how people here simply ignore the actual statements by the Jesus cult writers about NT Jesus in order to invent their own.

For hundreds of years the Jesus cult claimed that it was the Jews that KILLED Jesus--NOT the Romans.

1. Aristides' Apology2. Justin's Dialogue with Trypho3. Hippolytus' Treatise Against the Jews4. Tertullian's Answer to the Jews 5. Origen's Against Celsus 47 It is most alarming how the evidence is ignored that for hundreds of years it was TAUGHT in the Churches that the JEWS killed Jesus the Son of God.

Please, what is so difficult to understand?? The Jews killed Jesus and their Temple and the Holy City was made desolate according to the Jesus cult.

Iskander

Mine sleeps and smiles.
Libyan women look divine when sheltered from the Mohamedan moon!



A painting (Herbert James Draper, 1909) of Lamia, the queen of Libya who became a daemon according to Greek mythology

Iskander

Blue tympanum- with symbols of sacrifice centre-patera right-knife left-ox skull

Painted figures of Lares against a white background- they carry (as often) a drinking horn (rhyton) and a wine-bucket (situla)

The genius dressed in a toga, and with veiled head, holds a patera (chalice) in his right hand and an incense box in his left –as if offering sacrifice

A serpent-moving towards offerings of fruit on a small altar (far right).Serpents are a common motif in lararia, probably symbolizing the earth’s fertility and so the prosperity of the household

Religions of Rome. Volume 2 : A Sourcebook
Mary Beard, John North and Simon Price
Cambridge University Press 1998
ISBN 9780521456463
Page 193


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient...llery_08.shtml

The roman genius and the Greek daimon are both personal guardians.

Littlejohn

"sure fact"??!... Foolish!!..

Even the Koran teaches that Jesus was NOT crucified... In fact, he died stoned by the Jews around the year 72, two years after the end of the first Jewish War (66-70).

Even Basilides (see Irenaeus) and ALL the Gnostics (over 70 sects) reject the crucifixion of Jesus, as reported by heresiologist fathers... The Talmud is an authoritative confirmation of everything ...

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Duvduv

Sorry, the Talmud does not confirm anything about the NT Jesus at all. Nor do any midrashim. They speak only of a deceiver (NOT messianic figure) in the first century BCE named Yeshu son of Pandera (not as found in the Toldoth stories having the name specifically of Joseph, which I personally do not believe were written by Jews at all based on the content and context).

For that matter nothing in any of those traditional Jewish texts makes even the slightest hint or mention of people such as "Josephus", suicide at Massada, one John the Baptist or others who people would assume should find some mention of relevance for Jews. The Talmud makes specific references to Samaritans and Sadducees but not to other sects one would imagine they would mention, such as "Jewish Christians," Essenes, etc. (or a so-called "fourth philosophy" of the Jews).
Nor is there any mention of some high grade student of Rabban Gamliei named Saul.

outhouse

Yes!

So we should fall back to sources hundreds of years later to look for more historical accuracy :constern02:

James The Least

That's brilliant. First time I've seen it -- so redolent of mystery religions.

metacristi

Seems to me rather an attempt to improve the imagine of islam in the West (via hints that Jesus himself held violence in high respect and that Jews were very intolerant with foreigners) than an honest pursuit of truth.

It may be that he truly believes in this conjecture via Islamic biases (I heard more or less the same twisted interpretation of 'I have not come to bring peace but a sword' and so on at muslims I debated) but fact is that he totally fails.

Among others the use of the criterions of authenticity is utterly wrong, a new hint that it is rather the misuse of the criterions which produce the plethora of many competing Jesuses. In my view we deal with just another 'Da Vinci code' where the author forgot to add the word 'historical fiction' in the description of his book.

In his place I would pay much more attention to what happens in Islamic studies, the muslim 'scholars' are still at the level of the Middle Ages, there is still a 'mountain to climb'. Aslan would really deserve to be famous only if he finally brought the critical historical method to Islamic studies (what about a book like 'The created quran. Rational criticism is applicable to the holy book').

Finally just imagine what would happen if a Christian having the same expertise as Aslan hinted in a book (written in an academic language) that the prophet of islam was a desert bandit who realized at some point that only a policy of gaining 'vital space' abroad could save his political construction...

Toto

Reza Aslan schools us in the “myths” about Jesus