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stephan huller · 06-22-2013, 12:01 AM

Whereas the coins alleged to be of Archelaus all say "Herod"

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...s.asp?vpar=927

It is a problem whether or not people want to acknowledge it. Yes they go up to 6 CE but that only confirms Dio.

aa5874 · 06-22-2013, 12:01 AM

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If Josephus could have read Dio here he certainly read Dio to construct the parallel account of Archelaus as 'Herod of Palestine' and more importantly connecting the Herodian Archelaus with Archelaus of Cappadocia and introducing his daughter Glaphyra

Something may be wrong with your smartphone or the airport because Cassius Dio is claimed to have been born about 50 years AFTER Josephus was dead.

Please check your smartphone or the airport.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassius_Dio

stephan huller · 06-22-2013, 12:03 AM

Yes =======. We have already brought forward two scholars who said Josephus was interpolated by a third century Christian writer. Go back to ------ .

maryhelena · 06-22-2013, 12:24 AM

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In my Roman provincial coins book there are Herod the Tetrarch coins - just no "Archelaus" coins.

There are Herod coins that say 'Ethnarch' and there are Herod coins that say 'Tetrarch'......that translates into two rulers in my mind.....and don't the 'Tetrarch' coins run for much longer than the "Ethnarch" coins?

stephan huller · 06-22-2013, 12:45 AM

'Herod the Tetrarch' = Antipas

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The coinage of Herod Antipas was minted in four denominations, with the inscription 'ΤΙΒΕΡΙΆC' on the reverse within a wreath. The obverse has the Greek inscription "Herod the Tetrarch" (ΗΡωΔΌΎ ΤΕΤΡΆΡΧΌΎ) with an upright palm branch.[6] A variant type depicted an upright reed.

stephan huller · 06-22-2013, 12:47 AM

And yes, here is confirmation - there are no coins which reference Archelaus by name:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Vw-...0coins&f=false

So its Josephus against the rest of the world.

maryhelena · 06-22-2013, 12:49 AM

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Apparently they assign some of the 'Herod the Tetrarch' coins to Antipas

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The coinage of Herod Antipas was minted in four denominations, with the inscription 'ΤΙΒΕΡΙΆC' on the reverse within a wreath. The obverse has the Greek inscription "Herod the Tetrarch" (ΗΡωΔΌΎ ΤΕΤΡΆΡΧΌΎ) with an upright palm branch.[6] A variant type depicted an upright reed.

I keep saying it - we interpret everything in light of Josephus, as if it were the Bible.

Stephan, if you ever consider anything I ever write - you would know that I'm the last person to take anything from the Josephan writer on face value.....

andrewcriddle · 06-22-2013, 05:11 AM

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But where does it say "Archelaus"? I find these conversations frustrating because I think it should be obvious what I am saying. I am saying we have "Herod coins" which make no reference to "Archelaus" and which we take to be "Archelaus coins" solely because of Josephus and you go on to say that we have "Archelaus coins" that say "Herod." It's annoying. Please find me "Archelaus coins" that say "Archelaus" somewhere on them.

The problem is that IF Archelaus was the son of Herod who became ruler of Judea on the death of Herod the Great then claims that Jesus was tried by Archelaus and Pilate would (if historical) imply an early date for the trial of Jesus.

However; IF Archelaus is someone quite different (identity unclear) then the claim that Jesus was tried by Archelaus would have no chronological implications. (Because not knowing who Archelaus was we have no idea as to when he ruled.)

Andrew Criddle

stephan huller · 06-22-2013, 07:44 AM

5 Maccabees does not know of an Archelaus son of Herod only Antipater, Alexander and Aristobulos. Aristobulos had a son named Herod

stephan huller · 06-22-2013, 08:49 AM

yes you have a point Andrew

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06-22-2013, 12:01 AM	#91
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Whereas the coins alleged to be of Archelaus all say "Herod" http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...s.asp?vpar=927 It is a problem whether or not people want to acknowledge it. Yes they go up to 6 CE but that only confirms Dio.

06-22-2013, 12:03 AM	#93
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Yes =======. We have already brought forward two scholars who said Josephus was interpolated by a third century Christian writer. Go back to ------ .

06-22-2013, 12:47 AM	#96
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	And yes, here is confirmation - there are no coins which reference Archelaus by name: http://books.google.com/books?id=Vw-...0coins&f=false So its Josephus against the rest of the world.

06-22-2013, 07:44 AM	#99
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	5 Maccabees does not know of an Archelaus son of Herod only Antipater, Alexander and Aristobulos. Aristobulos had a son named Herod

06-22-2013, 08:49 AM	#100
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	yes you have a point Andrew

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