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Old 08-25-2013, 07:06 PM   #1011
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.... This thread is whether the Gospels are evidence for the existence of a founder.

Yes, the gospels are evidence for the existence of a founder, flesh and blood, living in Palestine about 2000 years ago.
The Gospels and Epistles are actually documented evidence of the mythology that was believed by the Jesus cult.

If you wish to get a sample of the Mythological fables that were believed by the Jesus cult read Mark 6, Mark 9, Mark 16, Matthew 1, Luke 1, John 1, Acts 1, Acts 2, Galatians 1, 1 Corinthians 15 and Revelation.

The NT Canon speaks of a character that was the LOGOS, and God Creator, born of a Ghost, that was with Satan on the pinnacle of the Temple, that walked on water, transfigured, resurrected, and ascended in or on a cloud.

The Jesus cult writers attested that Jesus had no human father on earth and no human mother when he was the Logos in heaven.

It is documented--it was published all over the Roman Empire--Jesus was born after his mother was made pregnant by a Ghost.

The Gospels MATCH the Mythology of the Jews, Greeks and Roman.

The Gospels with the Entire Canon are pure unadulterated Myth Fables about Gods, Sons of God, Devils, Angels, Holy Ghosts and Demons.

Jesus was God and also a Ghost. It is documented.

Please, see the Nicene Creed. Please, see the Doctrine of the Trinity.
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:36 PM   #1012
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By showing that there is evidence that it does not exist.
What evidence can you show me that there are no Klingons in orbit around Earth right now?

What evidence can you show me that ancient indigenous americans were not visited by aliens who helped them create massive pyramids, etc.

What evidence can you show me that Bigfoot does not exist?
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How is it possible to argue for the existence of something if there is no evidence for that something existing?
It is not possible .But the evidence may be too small to be seen by some.
There is a very old saying that goes like this:"chance only favours the mind which is prepared”. The unprepared mind may easily overlook evidence that should be and will be considered by a prepared mind.
"too small to be seen by some" = special pleading for 'some'. Collections of anecdotes are not consensus.

a 'prepared mind' sounds like a mind with confirmation bias.
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Yes it is. This thread is whether the Gospels are evidence for the existence of a founder.

Yes, the gospels are evidence for the existence of a founder, flesh and blood, living in Palestine about 2000 years ago.
The gospels are evidence of an embellished story, about a purported saviour: myth-fiction
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:21 PM   #1015
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By showing that there is evidence that it does not exist.
What evidence can you show me that there are no Klingons in orbit around Earth right now?

What evidence can you show me that ancient indigenous americans were not visited by aliens who helped them create massive pyramids, etc.

What evidence can you show me that Bigfoot does not exist?
Can you tell me the point of all these questions? At least for the first two I can point to evidence that satisfies me--the third may be trickier--but so what? There are many questions for which there isn't adequate evidence to draw a conclusion, but there are also many questions for which there is. I don't see the point of my going to the trouble of offering detailed answers to your questions without some idea of how that's relevant to the rest of the discussion.
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What evidence can you show me that ancient indigenous americans were not visited by aliens who helped them create massive pyramids, etc.

What evidence can you show me that Bigfoot does not exist?
Can you tell me the point of all these questions? At least for the first two I can point to evidence that satisfies me--the third may be trickier--but so what? There are many questions for which there isn't adequate evidence to draw a conclusion, but there are also many questions for which there is. I don't see the point of my going to the trouble of offering detailed answers to your questions without some idea of how that's relevant to the rest of the discussion.
I think you know. Your statement is flawed. To postulate the existence of something you need positive evidence of its existence. It doesn't have to be direct observation (such as the theory that there was a planet beyond Uranus), but there has to be some evidence from which we can infer existence. Higgs boson was inferred. Neptune was first inferred. Black holes are inferred. In all cases there was evidence to suggest existence. A moth with a 15-inch proboscis was inferred based on the existence of an orchid with a 16-inch flower. Since then just such a moth has been discovered and identified.
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The evidence is the gospels and epistles. It has never been proven to be all fiction, nor 100% mythology.
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What evidence can you show me that there are no Klingons in orbit around Earth right now?

What evidence can you show me that ancient indigenous americans were not visited by aliens who helped them create massive pyramids, etc.

What evidence can you show me that Bigfoot does not exist?
Can you tell me the point of all these questions? At least for the first two I can point to evidence that satisfies me--the third may be trickier--but so what? There are many questions for which there isn't adequate evidence to draw a conclusion, but there are also many questions for which there is. I don't see the point of my going to the trouble of offering detailed answers to your questions without some idea of how that's relevant to the rest of the discussion.
I think you know.
Then you're wrong. If I knew, I wouldn't have asked.
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Your statement is flawed. To postulate the existence of something you need positive evidence of its existence.
Irrelevant, since I'm not postulating the existence of something.
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It doesn't have to be direct observation (such as the theory that there was a planet beyond Uranus), but there has to be some evidence from which we can infer existence. Higgs boson was inferred. Neptune was first inferred. Black holes are inferred. In all cases there was evidence to suggest existence. A moth with a 15-inch proboscis was inferred based on the existence of an orchid with a 16-inch flower. Since then just such a moth has been discovered and identified.
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The evidence is the gospels and epistles. It has never been proven to be all fiction, nor 100% mythology.
Not this again. If you claim the gospels are evidence, you have to show that they are reliable evidence. You can't shift the burden of proof to anyone else to show hat they are not fictional.

Those are the rules of evidence. Otherwise, you might as well believe whatever you want.
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The evidence is the gospels and epistles. It has never been proven to be all fiction, nor 100% mythology.
Not this again. If you claim the gospels are evidence, you have to show that they are reliable evidence. You can't shift the burden of proof to anyone else to show hat they are not fictional.

Those are the rules of evidence. Otherwise, you might as well believe whatever you want.
Wrong again.

It is up to scholars to determine the quality of the evidence and if it is credible or not.


It in no way means it is not evidence, only the validity of their findings is in question Toto.
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