seyorni

How was all this water held in this "firmament?" How did it get there? Did it not block the sun or change the planet's albedo? Where did it all go after it fell?

Jaybees

"How was all this water held in this 'firmament?" God held it in his hands.

"How did it get there?" God created it in his hands.

"Did it not block the sun?" God made it completely transparent.

"...or change the planet's albedo?" See above answer.

"Where did it all go after it fell?" God sucked it up with a large straw.

I specialize in answers about the Great Flood, the Great Depression, the Great War and any other Greats that need explanation.

"Goddidit," is a quick abstract of my answers.

Duvduv

Is this thread intended as a bigoted mockery of religious beliefs?

Duvduv

That's funny Moses had no historicity but Marcion had a lot!!

Tommy

The "firmament" means a vault/void to separate the waters above from those below. Within said vault we are told that God then placed the Sun, Moon and stars - thus, Genesis cosmology has the Universe as a bubble surrounded by water. When the flood began the apertures only had to open.

That's what Genesis states; now look at the Universe. What nonsense!

outhouse

Moses mythology was written about refracted memories "AT BEST" 500 years after Israelites formed and were crushed multiple times before his legends even formed for the people of that time period during the 7th century BC.

Israelites built a history in allegory, you cannot make the mistake of Christian apologist and give a literal meaning too it.

The Exodus factually did not happen as written or even close.
Noah factually didn't happen




Marcion however was written about by people who hated his guts for what they viewed as a perversion of their deity. They did this in his time and shortly there after. So basically Marcion was recent history.



Get back in the ball game bud, you took a left turn in Albuquerque

Duvduv

Making your categorical statements is not evidence that they are true. Nor are your grasping at straws to draw a distinction between the empirically proven historicity of Marcion versus the historicity of Moses or Bilaam.
The fact is that there is no corroborative empirical evidence for Marcion and his people and texts than there is for Moses or for Bilaam. Nor is there empirical evidence to show that the Flood of Noah did not happen. All views on such matters on both sides of the debate are rooted in FAITH.

Jaybees

Shocking! Where in the world did you ever get that notion? We have nothing but the greatest respect for superstition.

steve_bnk

This is a bit of a derail, however.

I'd like to avoid the word mockery, but as I sad religion is on trial on the religion forums. Anything you put forth is subject to criticism.

I am trying to be civil with you here in the interest of hearing what you have to say.

But invariably theists who attack us skeptics without really offering in the end little but religious faith itself end up getting mocked as superstitious and without evidence. And then they leave often in a fit of anger.

You post on a thread about Noah, yet getting you to say what your belif entails is like puling teeth. If you think we are in error, tell us why you may be right.

I can respect religion on a personal level. However IMO all three Abrahamics Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are equally superstitious cults anachronistic in terms of modern knowledge.

What did you expect by being here?

We tend to view all organized religion today as a negatve.

Muslim sectarian violence

Muslims vs Jews

Virulent anti gay Christians

Christian politicians making absurd biblical claims as to modern politics and our modern issues.

Christians claiming the Japanese tsunami and our recent heavy weather in the Midwest are god's retribution.

Jews claiming based on a disjointed ancient collection of writings to be the chosen people of an all powerful deity with a belief in historical supernatural manifestations that can never be proven.

I think we are all a bit sick and tired of all organized religion.

We can continue this on the Abrahamics fiorum.

steve_bnk

'...Nor is there empirical evidence to show that the Flood of Noah did not happen...'

A new twist in logic. The lack of evidence that a flood occurred is not evidence that the flood indeed did not occur.

There is no proof leprechauns exist, but the lack of evidence is not evidence they do not exist? Of course, leprechauns might exist or may have existed. But that is all sophistry. Despite the existence of the lore of leprechauns, no one really believes they exist or have existed.


And as you say there is no proof hence you have a faith with no evidence?