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aa5874 · 10-03-2013, 11:55 PM

It has been drawn to my attention that Christians and Historicists take the Bible literally.

Christians and Historicists actually take the stories of Jesus literally and claim that Jesus did exist at the time of Pilate when it is known that Jesus was the product of a Ghost and a Virgin in the Bible.

Young Earth Creationists, Christians and Historicists have one thing in common--they all believe the Bible must be taken Literally.

Historicists argue that Jesus of Nazareth LITERALLY existed even though he walked on the sea, transfigured and resurrected.

Only mythicists reject the Bible as mythology with respect to Jesus and vehemently argue that the Bible should NOT be taken literally.

Jesus of Nazareth did NOT literally exist at all--the Bible is mythology.

Perspicuo · 10-04-2013, 04:45 AM

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I did not say that. ... Read closely.

You certainly can ignore what I said if you prefer.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

I will ignore your strawman, yes.

semiopen · 10-04-2013, 07:32 AM

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We know we're smarter than people 90 years ago

These must be the words of a very young man, I think. Friend, do not presume that people who lived in previous centuries were idiots. Some were uneducated, as some are now. The proportion of either is unimportant; but the maximum intelligence is probably rather constant.

Consider: I believe that there were stupid people in 1923, and we have copious evidence of even greater stupidity in 2013. But I presume, in saying "we" are smarter than people of 1923, we do not have Albert Einstein in mind? :-)

And ... bear in mind that some of the readers of this forum are retired. That is, they were born more than 60 years ago. They might just possibly have definite opinions on just how smart men in the age of Bush and Obama might really be, compared to those in previous generations.

Never be confused by the ability of the Japanese to manufacture pretty toys. It has no bearing on the question. Technology may progress, while society does the reverse. It did in late Roman times.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

This is an interesting subject.

In Judaism, it's basically backwards. The further back you go, the smarter they were.

Maimonides on the "Decline of the Generations" and the Nature of Rabbinic Authority

Dr. Kellner makes the case that Maimonides didn't believe that bullshit.

Once, I heard a Rabbi say that the Alter Rebbe (

Shneur_Zalman_of_Liadi) suggested that since people were getting so stupid they (men) should at least memorize the Torah and do some other shit that is virtually impossible for modern people - at least ordinary shmucks. I haven't been able to confirm this statement but it is thought provoking.

aa5874 · 10-04-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by semiopen

This is an interesting subject.

In Judaism, it's basically backwards. The further back you go, the smarter they were.

Maimonides on the "Decline of the Generations" and the Nature of Rabbinic Authority

Dr. Kellner makes the case that Maimonides didn't believe that bullshit.

Once, I heard a Rabbi say that the Alter Rebbe (

Shneur_Zalman_of_Liadi) suggested that since people were getting so stupid they (men) should at least memorize the Torah and do some other shit that is virtually impossible for modern people - at least ordinary shmucks. I haven't been able to confirm this statement but it is thought provoking.

It must be noted that Celsus did NOT believe the Jesus story but people today do.

There were multiple so-called Heretics who rejected the story of Jesus.

We can definitely see that Belief in "the bullshit" increases after the 4th century.

In the 2nd century the Marcionites used to LAUGH at the Jesus cult.

The Jesus story was a big Joke in antiquity.

Justin's First Apology LVIII

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.....the devils put forward Marcion of Pontus, who is even now teaching men to deny that God is the maker of all things in heaven and on earth, and that the Christ predicted by the prophets is His Son, and preaches another god besides the Creator of all, and likewise another son.

And this man many have believed, as if he alone knew the truth, and laugh at us...

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aa5874 Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: the fringe of the caribbean Posts: 18,988	It has been drawn to my attention that Christians and Historicists take the Bible literally. Christians and Historicists actually take the stories of Jesus literally and claim that Jesus did exist at the time of Pilate when it is known that Jesus was the product of a Ghost and a Virgin in the Bible. Young Earth Creationists, Christians and Historicists have one thing in common--they all believe the Bible must be taken Literally. Historicists argue that Jesus of Nazareth LITERALLY existed even though he walked on the sea, transfigured and resurrected. Only mythicists reject the Bible as mythology with respect to Jesus and vehemently argue that the Bible should NOT be taken literally. Jesus of Nazareth did NOT literally exist at all--the Bible is mythology.

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