Duvduv

All these types of questions are investigated and compared and analyzed in many commentaries, targums, and in the midrashim. If one knows Hebrew one can examine Rashi, Nachmanides, Ibn Ezra, Radak, Rashbam, Seforno, Avi Ezer, Kli Yakar, Siftei Chachamim, Ohr Hachayim, Tzemach David, and many others.
The earlier ones are often brought together in the multi-volume book known as Me'am Loez. The volumes dealing with the Five Books of Moses were written in the 18th century if I recall correctly by Rabbi Yaakov Culi in Istanbul or Salonika.

Duvduv

This information can easily be googled online. There were a total of 3 pharoahs according to the midrash during the life of Moses. The third and final one was a disfigured person of about 3 feet tall, who was the son of the previous Pharoah who died and left two sons. For some reason the leaders in Egypt preferred him to his brother. I forget the exact story. It is also discussed in the book Sefer Hayashar which I think is also in English.

Sarpedon

Ok I googled. It came up with 'unidentified pharaohs' and a list of different pharoahs that various theologians have conjectured.

Please, tell me which Pharaoh was three feet tall. You're telling me that this was the one that chased after the Hebrews on his chariot and drowned in the Red Sea? What was his NAME? Can you even tell me which dynasty it was?

I think you are avoiding saying what you think because you don't want to defend another untenable position.

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The author of the commentary I noted was Zalman_Sorotzkin

Regarding his dickhead comment, these guys can get quite nasty, with little apparent provocation.

Therefore I trust, Duvi will forgive my heartless Haredi Mouse remark.

Duvduv

Yes, his name was MELUL. And not only was he on a chariot chasing the people to the Sea, but he had offered all his soldiers gold and silver from his treasury to participate in this undertaking. They all carried their share of the loot in their uniforms, and then sank originally only to be thrown up on the beach.

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Ironic

Sarpedon

I just read a rather absurd article that tried to name Thutmosis III as pharaoh of the Exodus, complete with ridiculous excuses as to how he managed to survive both the passover plague and the drowning in the Red Sea.

Other pharaohs pulled out of various theologian's asses include Dudimose, Ramses I, and Ahmose I.

Your pretension that this is undisputed and easy to find is absolutely dishonest. Describe which version YOU think is correct and why.

Sarpedon

The name Melul does not appear on the list of known pharaohs. Please give his conventional name, and what dynasty. It is useless to simply make up a name and not tie it in to known chronology.

If you think that the conventional chronology is missing a pharaoh, please tell me where this one belongs.

Duvduv

I don't know the rundown on the list of pharoahs since I haven't found anyone who could say for certain what they were named or if they had more than one name. I don't know if the little guy had another name besides Melul.
It is found in many midrashic sources. But you might simply assume there was a conspiracy to rewrite history, so all the writers and compilers of the midrash over several generations got together and conspired to call him Melul for no rational purpose.

Cheerful Charlie

So, you are just going to try to brush off the facts with a snippy little bit of nonsense Not so fast chief. Why are you interpreting the oT as factual? Why not be a Mormon and interpret Smith's nonsense as truth, or even Scientology.

On interpretation, you have to have intelligence to interpret any fact correctly. A potshard on the ground means nothing to an ignorant observer, much to those with backround knowledge. Refusing to make any effort to learn that backround knowledge to be willfully ignorant merely means you will be labeled willfully ignorant is all.

A large number of expert archaeologists have investigated all of this and laid out the facts. They admit that the cities Joshua supposedly destroyed cannot have been destroyed by the Israelites. That there was no Exodus. That the Iron age Israelite hilltop farms were settled by people who were essentially Canaanites culturally with no signs of having been in Egypt. Airily waving away all the truth that 50 years of excavation has demonstrating regarding the supposed truth of Exodus, Numbers et al changes the whole debate.

It is now a matter not of presenting you the facts, but of making you reason, and it seems, you are not going to on this matter, no matter how many experts their are in Near Easten archaeology that tell us that the Exodus is a myth. One can have truth or mythology but not both. I shall interpret your response as meaning you prefer mythology in this case.

Israel Finkelstein and Israelite archeaologists and archeaology students spent years survey the hiltops of Israel to establish what the facts are and what the facts tell us about early Israel. Those who wouyld ignore the facts as demonstrated by all this hard work have nothing to say to those of us who are aware of what they found and what it all means.
An indigenous population exploit these resources. these farmers remembered none of this centuries later and so some priest made up a history and got the story provably wrong. It was a faux history with an agenda. these are the facts and cannot be successfully interpreted away.

Cheerful Charlie

Cheerful Charlie