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What started Judaism? A persecution complex, most probably.

It would seem likely that the pivotal event in Judaic history that bonded these people together as a society and religion was the eruption of Thera (Santorini), which caused the Exodus. The events of the Exodus being pretty much identical to the events of the Thera eruption.

This displaced people, who had just been kicked out of Egypt, then had to formulate a new identity, and a reasoning and justification for their pariah status. We call this reasoning 'Judaism'.

As Manetho says:
... they forced the priests and prophets to slaughter the (sacred) animals and then they turned them out naked ... It is said that the priest that gave (the Hyksos) a constitution and a code of laws was a native of Heliopolis, named Osarseph after the Heliopolian god Osiris, and that when he went over to this people he changed his name and was called Moses. (Against Apion 250)



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outhouse

I have proved links to Finklestein which have gone unrefuted or even addressed.

So what will providing more do? more to discount?


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient...rew-bible.html

Here Dever claims


We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite" villages.

So gradually the old conquest model [based on the accounts of Joshua's conquests in the Bible] began to lose favor amongst scholars. Many scholars now think that most of the early Israelites were originally Canaanites, displaced Canaanites, displaced from the lowlands, from the river valleys, displaced geographically and then displaced ideologically.

And it begins a slow process in which the Israelites distinguish themselves from their Canaanite ancestors, particularly in religion—

Below Dever claims Canaanite deities being used by Israelites

In 1968, I discovered an inscription in a cemetery west of Hebron, in the hill country, at the site of Khirbet el-Qôm, a Hebrew inscription of the 8th century B.C.E. It gives the name of the deceased, and it says "blessed may he be by Yahweh"—that's good biblical Hebrew—but it says "by Yahweh and his Asherah."

Asherah is the name of the old Canaanite Mother Goddess, the consort of El, the principal deity of the Canaanite pantheon. So why is a Hebrew inscription mentioning Yahweh in connection with the Canaanite Mother Goddess? Well, in popular religion they were a pair.


In the 1970s, Israeli archeologists digging in Kuntillet Ajrud in the Sinai found a little desert fort of the same period, and lo and behold, we have "Yahweh and Asherah" all over the place in the Hebrew inscriptions.



Even wiki follows this, and my statements to a T

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_(Canaanite_deity)

Yahweh, prior to becoming Yahweh the national god of Israel and taking on monotheistic attributes in the 6th century BCE, was a part of the Canaanite pantheon in the period before the Babylonian captivity. Archeological evidence reveals that during this time period the Israelites were a group of Canaanite people. Yahweh was seen as a war god, and equated with El. Asherah, who was often seen as El's consort, has been described as a consort of Yahweh in numerous inscriptions.[1] The name Yahwi

outhouse

No evidence at all has ever been found to support this.


This 1600 BCish event' is way to early and again, you have no evidence to support this.




Doesnt even make sense as written. Nor supported with any evidence.




Writing way to late with only the OT as his reference gives him zero credibility to explain any origins of any Israelites




Your whole post amounts to pseudohistory

Davka

None of which equals "fact: Israelites were actually Canaanites."

That's what I'm objecting to - your assertion that all of these facts add up to an irrefutable conclusion. They don't. There are other possible explanations for the available fats.

Davka

Emphasis mine.

outhouse

So Finklestein calling it a fact isnt good enough for you? and do you have any information that goes against this that explains the evidence we have?

I also provided wiki

Archeological evidence reveals that during this time period the Israelites were a group of Canaanite people.



That is multiple sources

outhouse

Actually that is "Emphasis Dever" describing what some scholars think. Many scholars are apologetic and biased. That doesnt make them correct or delude the facts at hand


Here is what Dever said himself who is one of few experts on this ethnogenesis

Davka

You haven't provided "Finklestein calling it a fact." And none, not ONE, of the sources you have provided say "it is an established fact that the Israelites were descendants of the Canaanites" or anything even CLOSE to that. Did you not read the quote I highlighted for you above????

You are claiming certainty where certainty is NOT claimed by the authors you quote.

Davka

No, it's emphasis MINE.

Apparently you have a limited grasp of English. "Emphasis mine" is an editorial note, drawing one's attention to the fact that certain passages have been bolded or underlined by the person doing the quoting, where they were not so emphasized by the original writer.

outhouse

http://people.stfx.ca/bmacdona/The%2...Israelites.ppt


Finkelstein’s Position on the Emergence of Israel:

Much in common with two previous waves of occupation in these areas;

processes of sedentarization and nomadization of indigenous groups in response to changing conditions;

much of Iron I settlement was part of a long-term cycle:

the early Israelites were, in fact, Canaanites.