Composer

What they actually said but wasn't placed in the text to try to save Story book jebus' personal disgraceful shame (but was apparently well known on the streets! as the legitimate supportive Story book textual evidence reveals that ' was included ' & shown here by moi; demonstrates later in this Post as indicated) was " We are following the example of the Story teller (jebus) who was a fairly well known lazy bastard, the illegitimate product of an alleged trinitarian god h-s spiritually raping god person (Luke 1:35 apparently?) that subsequently made this young woman pregnant (Mary), (because she & her husband were intimidated and coerced to comply) refused to Marry her, but instead dumped their little bastard & soiled Mary on to a real Man (Joseph the Cuckold) to raise the little bastard as his own! Then when this little bastard grew up to be a bigger bastard (Luke 19:27); it refused to work and stood around giving orders for others to do its work for him by sending them on errands & by abusing its miracle powers for self gain and to impress his homosexual friends, by giving them e.g. money (Matt. 17:27 Your preferred Story book version!) without this big narcissistic bastard actually doing any physical work itself for this money, yet conversely we are expected to do work for our wages in the vineyard!

More so -There are other examples of this lazy homosexual narcissistic bastard jebus repeatedly abusing miracles & not doing physical work for more self gain by e.g. impressing its mates at parties! (Water to Wine apparently?)

Your mentor & personal successful literal Saviour, moi!

Me Composer the ongoing successful & vindicated Cult buster!

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Adam

For Composer, you should look at my OP to my first pass of
Early Aramaic Gospels
and from there the link to my still-answered challenge at

The Nature of Scholarship Post #39

Meanwhile, continuing from Post #135 with Selection #6 (Continued from Posts #135 #123, #109, #87, #1):
For this second pass through of Gospel Eyewitnesses not already listed in Early Aramaic Gospels, the Lucan selections from Special Luke shown bracketed likely were in Aramaic as well, but the Lucan passages from q2 (in regular type) were already in Greek. Ellipses represent filler material. The Marcan passages are from an Ur-Marcus already in Greek before it was taken into Mark or Luke. Similarly, the first 12 chapters here from John are from the Signs Source (by Andrew) already in Greek probably from the first. John 13 and thereafter here I attribute to the Apostle John himself. Certain uniquely Matthean sections are included where the content is paralleled in the Gospel of Thomas or even where the Jesus Seminar affirmed them as from Jesus.

Luke 17:
[7 "Will any one of you, who has a servant plowing or keeping sheep, say to him when he has come in from the field, 'Come at once and sit down at table'? 8 Will he not rather say to him, 'Prepare supper for me, and gird yourself and serve me, till I eat and drink; and afterward you shall eat and drink'? 9 Does he thank the servant because he did what was commanded? 10 So you also, when you have done all that is commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'"]
John 11:
S 1 And there was a certain (man) from Bethany, being sick….3 Then the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom you love is sick,” 4 And having heard, Jesus said, “This sickness is not to death, but for the glory of God, in order that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”…6 Then when he heard that he is sick, then he stayed in the place in which he was two days. 7 Next after this he says to the disciples, “Let us go into Judea again.” 8 The disciples say to him, “Rabbi

11…after this he says to them,…our friend has fallen asleep, but I am going in order that I will awaken him.: 12 Then the disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will awaken. 13 But Jesus had spoken about his death, but those thought that he is speaking about the sleep of slumber. 14 Then Jesus said to them plainly…”He died, 15 and I rejoice for the sake of you, that I was not there, in order that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha…in order that they might console them about the brother. 20 Then Martha met him….21 Then Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”…23 Jesus says to her, “Your brother will arise.” 24 Martha says to him, “I know that he will arise in the resurrection….25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection…. He who believes on me, even should he die, will live; 26 and everyone living and believing on me, should not die forever. Do you believe this?” 27 “Yes, Lord. I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.”….
S 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then the Jews were saying, “Behold, how he was loving him.”…39 Jesus says, “Take away the stone.” Martha …says to him, “Already he stinks, for hi is (dead) four days.” 40 Jesus says to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you will see the glory of God? 41 Take away the stone.”….43…he cried out with a loud voice, “come out.” 44 The dead (man) came out, (his) feet and hands bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a handkerchief. Jesus says to them, “Loose him and let him go.”…
{46 And certain of them went away to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the Sanhedrin, and were saying, “What shall we do, because this man does many signs? 48 If we permit him thus, everyone will believe on him, and the Roman will come and destroy both our place and our nation.” 49 But a certain one of them… said to them, “You know nothing. 50 You do not understand it is advantageous for you that one man should die in behalf of the people and not that the whole nation perish.”}[46 to 50 are included by Teeple in his Source, but seem to be the next editorial layer I call “P”]
S 54 Then Jesus no longer walked about openly among the Jews, but he went away from there into the region near the wilderness…and there he stayed with the disciple. 55…And many went up into Jerusalem from the region before the Passover, in order that they might purify themselves….57 { And the chief priests and the Pharisees had given orders that if anyone knew where he is, he should reveal (it), so that they might seize him.}
Luke 17:
[11 On the way to Jerusalem he was passing along between Sama'ria and Galilee. 12 And as he entered a village, he was met by ten lepers, who stood at a distance 13 and lifted up their voices and said, "Jesus, Master, have mercy on us." 14 When he saw them he said to them, "Go and show yourselves to the priests." And as they went they were cleansed. 15 Then one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, praising God with a loud voice; 16 and he fell on his face at Jesus' feet, giving him thanks. Now he was a Samaritan. 17 Then said Jesus, "Were not ten cleansed? Where are the nine? 18 Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?" 19 And he said to him, "Rise and go your way; your faith has made you well." 20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." 22 And he said to the disciples, "The days are coming when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you will not see it. 28 Likewise as it was in the days of Lot--they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom fire and sulphur rained from heaven and destroyed them all-- 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of man is revealed.]
[11 On the way to Jerusalem Jesus* was going through the region between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he entered a village, ten lepers* approached him. Keeping their distance, 13 they called out, saying, ‘Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!’ 14 When he saw them, he said to them, ‘Go and show yourselves to the priests.’ And as they went, they were made clean. 15 Then one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, praising God with a loud voice. 16 He prostrated himself at Jesus’* feet and thanked him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus asked, ‘Were not ten made clean? But the other nine, where are they? 18 Was none of them found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?’ 19 Then he said to him, ‘Get up and go on your way; your faith has made you well.’]
[20 Once Jesus* was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, and he answered, ‘The kingdom of God is not coming with things that can be observed; 21 nor will they say, “Look, here it is!” or “There it is!” For, in fact, the kingdom of God is among* you.’
22 Then he said to the disciples, ‘The days are coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.]
26* As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of man. 27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Luke 18:
[1 And he told them a parable, to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. 2 He said, "In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor regarded man; 3 and there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, 'Vindicate me against my adversary.' 4 For a while he refused; but afterward he said to himself, 'Though I neither fear God nor regard man, 5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will vindicate her, or she will wear me out by her continual coming.'" 6 And the Lord said, "Hear what the unrighteous judge says. 7 And will not God vindicate his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? 8 I tell you, he will vindicate them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on earth?" ]
[9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others: 10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.' 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for every one who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."]
Mark 10:
13 And they were bringing children to him, that he might touch them; and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But when Jesus saw it he was indignant, and said to them, "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God. 15 Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it." 16 And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands upon them. 17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 19 You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'" 20 And he said to him, "Teacher, all these I have observed from my youth." 21 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said to him, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." 22 At that saying his countenance fell, and he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" 24 And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 26 And they were exceedingly astonished, and said to him, "Then who can be saved?" 27 Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God." 28 Peter began to say to him, "Lo, we have left everything and followed you." 29 Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, 30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life. 31 But many that are first will be last, and the last first." 32 And they were on the road, going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus was walking ahead of them; and they were amazed, and those who followed were afraid. And taking the twelve again, he began to tell them what was to happen to him, 33 saying, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man will be delivered to the chief priests and the scribes, and they will condemn him to death, and deliver him to the Gentiles; 34 and they will mock him, and spit upon him, and scourge him, and kill him; and after three days he will rise."
Luke 19:
[1 He entered Jericho and was passing through. 2 And there was a man named Zacchae'us; he was a chief tax collector, and rich. 3 And he sought to see who Jesus was, but could not, on account of the crowd, because he was small of stature. 4 So he ran on ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him, for he was to pass that way. 5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him, "Zacchae'us, make haste and come down; for I must stay at your house today." 6 So he made haste and came down, and received him joyfully. 7 And when they saw it they all murmured, "He has gone in to be the guest of a man who is a sinner." 8 And Zacchae'us stood and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have defrauded any one of anything, I restore it fourfold." 9 And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man came to seek and to save the lost." 11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, "A nobleman went into a far country to receive a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten pounds, and said to them, 'Trade with these till I come.' 14 But his citizens hated him and sent an embassy after him, saying, 'We do not want this man to reign over us.' 15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by trading. 16 The first came before him, saying, 'Lord, your pound has made ten pounds more.' 17 And he said to him, 'Well done, good servant! Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.' 18 And the second came, saying, 'Lord, your pound has made five pounds.' 19 And he said to him, 'And you are to be over five cities.' 20 Then another came, saying, 'Lord, here is your pound, which I kept laid away in a napkin; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man; you take up what you did not lay down, and reap what you did not sow.' 22 He said to him, 'I will condemn you out of your own mouth, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money into the bank, and at my coming I should have collected it with interest?' 24 And he said to those who stood by, 'Take the pound from him, and give it to him who has the ten pounds.' 25 (And they said to him, 'Lord, he has ten pounds!') 26 'I tell you, that to every one who has will more be given; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.']
Mark 10:
46 They came to Jericho. As he and his disciples and a large crowd were leaving Jericho, Bartimaeus son of Timaeus, a blind beggar, was sitting by the roadside. 47 When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout out and say, ‘Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!’ 48 Many sternly ordered him to be quiet, but he cried out even more loudly, ‘Son of David, have mercy on me!’ 49 Jesus stood still and said, ‘Call him here.’ And they called the blind man, saying to him, ‘Take heart; get up, he is calling you.’ 50 So throwing off his cloak, he sprang up and came to Jesus. 51 Then Jesus said to him, ‘What do you want me to do for you?’ The blind man said to him, ‘My teacher,* let me see again.’ 52 Jesus said to him, ‘Go; your faith has made you well.’ Immediately he regained his sight and followed him on the way.
Luke 19:
[41 And when he drew near and saw the city he wept over it, 42 saying, "Would that even today you knew the things that make for peace! But now they are hid from your eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon you, when your enemies will cast up a bank about you and surround you, and hem you in on every side, 44 and dash you to the ground, you and your children within you, and they will not leave one stone upon another in you; because you did not know the time of your visitation.”]
Mark 11:
26 * [No text] 27 And they came again to Jerusalem. And as he was walking in the temple, the chief priests and the scribes and the elders came to him, 28 and they said to him, "By what authority are you doing these things, or who gave you this authority to do them?" 29 Jesus said to them, "I will ask you a question; answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. 30 Was the baptism of John from heaven or from men? Answer me." 31 And they argued with one another, "If we say, 'From heaven,' he will say, 'Why then did you not believe him?' 32 But shall we say, 'From men'?" --they were afraid of the people, for all held that John was a real prophet. 33 So they answered Jesus, "We do not know." And Jesus said to them, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things."

Composer

Your Posting pages of Story book text does absolutely NOTHING further for your already defeated cause until you can legitimately prove to me that this text came from a Supernatural god(s)?

Much better luck at Sport!

Your mentor & personal successful literal Saviour, moi!

Me Composer the ongoing successful & vindicated Cult buster!

:eating_popcorn:

Adam

Your swift reply shows that you did not go to my link to The Nature of Scholarship. Everyone here has failed to deal with the Gospel According to the Atheists that I have condescended to present for those of you who are mythicists. If you are a mythicist or a minimalist HJ, you need to respond to my eyewitness texts that do not depend on supernatural events.

Sheshbazzar

Your horse shit has been responded to repeatedly. THERE ARE NO EYEWITNESS GOSPEL TEXTS.

No Bible scholar that knows his ass from a hole in the ground makes such a stupid and unverifiable claim.

Your 'Gospel According to the Atheists' has been delt with. There is no 'Gospel According to the Atheists', And there never has been;

Atheists do not believe nor accept any Gospel that the likes of you fabricate by butchering ancient and well attested to texts.

There are no Gospels to be found that do not include supernatural events. You don't get to 'edit' the texts to make them say what you want them to say.

They say what they have always said; Jeezuz was conceived by supernatural means. Jeezuz performed a shit-load of miracles. In every Gospel.

There is not a Gospel existing that does not contain supernatural events. There is no evidence that any Gospel has ever existed that did not contain miracles.

You willfully distort the actual total content of these texts, through your selective omissions of material that is present within all existing examples.

You cannot produce even one single genuine early example of the 'gutted' form of these texts that you pretend existed.

You cannot cite even one single early witness to the existence of any such 'gutted' form of these texts as you pretend existed.

Your claims are false and worthless.

Adam

Please list by whom and where.I did not edit Q, and it has been well documented by the top scholars.
For editing of gJohn I basically rely on the atheist Howard Teeple.
"L" or Special Luke is a staple of the Four-Source standard Oxford solution to the Synoptic Problem.
Surely FRDB can find more scholarly replies to me than by Composer and Shesh? Someone who knows source-criticism?

Composer

Which religious Cult do you belong to or associate yourself with Adam?

Do you actually believe in a Supernatural god(s)?

Do you believe in the trinity formulation?

Do you claim to have guidance from a Supernatural holy-spirit?

What evidence do you have that ANY acclaimed ' holy-text ' such as the 100% hearsay drivel you present came from a Supernatural god(s)?

Much much better luck next times!

Your mentor & personal successful literal Saviour, moi!

Me Composer the ongoing successful & vindicated Cult buster!

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Sheshbazzar

And are any of these 'top scholars' claiming that Q is The Gospel?

You really had to dig, like a regular Ron Wyatt to find someone that would appear to support your admittedly pre-existing conclusions.

At least they know their reconstruction is theoretical. They don't try to pass off their results as being The Gospel.

Yeah poor Adam. Can't get any accredited Academic Scholar to give his crack-pot horse shit ideas the time of day.

You want you contrived horse shit reviewed by University professors, then take it to University professors....I'm sure they can find a way to lose it. permanently.

This is supposed to be an Atheist forum for discussing the Bible and History, not a pulpit for you to pontificate Christian horse shit from.


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Sheshbazzar

Adam began here by telling us that he believed in the Biblical miracles.

And apparently he thinks he can hear his zombie sky buddy Jebus whispering in his ear.

But the dude must be speaking in another language, or have a bad speech impediment, cause it is clear that Adam don't have a clue.

Composer

Interesting!

And what evidence did Adam provide to support his claim?

Well then lucky for us IF Adam hears literal voices from his jebus, then Adam can plead with this jebus directly; to speak to us directly by Adam using the following -

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. (John 14:12-14) KJV Story book. Thus proving that ANY genuine believer shall do ' greater miracles than Story book jesus ' and proves also this promise IS NOT made only or restricted to the Story book Apostles! & If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. (John 15:7) English Standard Version (ESV) Story book


So we expect 1. a personal discussion with your jebus Adam & 2. You to perform greater miracles than this jebus (I have some suggestions about that!) 3. When your jebus fails we will know a) because it doesn't literally exist except in irrational imaginations like yours & Or YOU are again a proven jebus reject & a proven Snake-Oil - verbal horse manure salesperson!

Do you also believe a Supernatural holy-spirit guides & teaches you Adam?

I have some one that wants to hear from you IF you do?


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