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In order to get a fundamental understanding of the history of Christianity one must first get familiar with writings of antiquity.
This is a partial list of writings that MUST be read. Philo, Plutarch, Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny, Lucian, Cassius Dio, Jullian the Emperor, Aristides, Justin Martyr, Theophilus of Antioch, Athenagoras of Athens, Minucius Felix, Arnobius, Lactantius, the Canonised NT, Ignatius, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Hippolytus, Origen, Eusebius, Jerome, Chrysostom, Ephraim the Syrian, Augustine of Hippo, Optatus, Rufinus and others. |
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Ehrman is a wizard of a man, if indeed he may be called a man.
Very good youtube lectures on the NT. |
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Now about this time arose (an occasion for new disturbances) a certain Ehrman, a wizard of a man, if indeed he may be called a man (who was the most monstrous of all men, whom his disciples call a son of gun, as having made men wonder what no man hath ever yet wondered). . . . He was in fact a Professer of astonishing tricks to such men as accept the abnormal with delight. And he seduced many Jews and many also of the Western world, and (was regarded by them as) the Messiah [advocate]. And when, on the indictment of the principal men among us, Mythicists had sentenced him to the cross, still those who before had admired him did not cease (to rave). For it seemed to them that having [once believed] Jesus been dead for three days, as the divinely-inspired prophets had foretold — these and ten thousand other wonderful things — concerning him, [Ehrman] had [re-]appeared to them alive again [as an agnostic]. Yet even now the race of those who are called 'Christians' is not extinct [on account of] him.DCH |
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Ive enjoyed his work.
I find no real fault other then the over attributation of some historical elements. I find this in most scholars work so its not perosnal to his alone. |
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Don't trust Ehrman for honest statements on video debates. To argue against Christians like Dan Wallace and Craig Evans, he's willing to sound like a Mythicist. In contrast in promoting his recent Did Jesus Exist he goes over to the other extreme of acknowledging written sources in the 30's, within a decade of Jesus. By the latter his position seemed almost like mine in Gospel Eyewitnesses in which I present seven written eyewitness records to Jesus, but more likely he is referring to the very early dating from James Crossley and Maurice Casey.
So he knows very well that there is very strong evidence of the historicity of Jesus, but to make debate points he'll deny things he knows to be true. |
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He knows textual criticism backwards and forwards and his trashing of the various components of the NT is a tremendous advance for rationality.
When he starts on the faith crap, he is no more credible than anyone else. |
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After additional reading on the late second-temple Jewish worship I find it even harder to imagine that James was anything but a "strict monotheist" (in the sense that Larry Hurtado uses the term) who could accept a title that had "Lord" in it with that refered to a worship figure other than Yahweh. It's strange that Ehrman would have missed something like that, given that Origen [CC 1:47] apparently did not. Best, Jiri |
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