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spin · 05-31-2013, 08:24 PM

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From Galatians 1 we see that the Pauline writer could not be credible once Jesus did exist. And if Jesus did not exist Galatians 1 would still be a pack of lies.

Assuming you have found a problem with Paul due to claims about Jesus, there is a lot of information in the text that deals with other issues. People tend to have more competence in some areas and not others. Paul for example may have been deluded about Jesus, but that neither means that the other things he talks about are worthless nor does it mean that what he writes are lies.

Most of your assertions are false, because of the erroneous assumptions that lie behind them.

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1. If Jesus was human he did not resurrect.

2. If Jesus did not exist he did not resurrect.

Galatians 1 could only be a pack of lies as soon as the Pauline writer claimed his Jesus was raised from the dead.

aa5874 · 05-31-2013, 08:52 PM

If we examine the Epistles to the Corinthians we see the very same thing. They are a pack of Lies.

If Jesus did exist then he could have only been human.

Examine 1 Corinthians 15

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3For I delivered unto you first of all that which Ialso received , how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures

4And that he was buried , and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve..............last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The Pauline writer is not credible. Once his Jesus was dead then he could not have seen a resurrected Jesus and could not have known that he was last to see him.

How in the world could Paul know he was the LAST to see a non-historical event?

Fiction is the foundation of the Pauline Corpus.

spin · 05-31-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

If we examine the Epistles to the Corinthians we see the very same thing. They are a pack of Lies.

Running away and making the same unfounded assertions elsewhere is not going to help you.

aa5874 · 06-01-2013, 08:50 AM

The Pauline writers are not credible because they claim to be witnesses that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Even a Pauline writer admits that he is a false witness, a LIAR, if there is no resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:15 KJV

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Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up , if so be that the dead rise not.

It is an extremely simply matter before us.

The Pauline Corpus is a Pack of Lies.

The Pauline Corpus is a compilation from False Witnesses because they testified that Jesus was raised from the dead when the dead rise not in any century.

And not only is the Pauline Corpus a pack of lies from multiple False witnesses it can also be deduced that the Pauline Corpus was most likely composed very late in order to reduce detection of the lies about the resurrection.

1. If Jesus did exist --he could have only been human.

2. If Jesus died ---he did not resurrect.

3. If Jesus actually lived and died then people, acquaintances and the Family of Jesus would have known he was dead.

4. If Paul claimed Jesus was raised from the dead when those people, acquaintances and Family were still living then the Pauline writers would be IDENTIFIED as LIARS.

The Pauline LIES that Jesus was raised from the dead by God must have been or most likely was fabricated when those who knew Jesus was dead were no longer living.

Tristan Scott · 06-01-2013, 08:55 AM

DNFTEC

Jeffrey Gibson · 06-01-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Scott

DNFTEC

OK. I'll bite. What does the acronym stand for?

Jeffrey

Chili · 06-01-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

The Pauline writers are not credible because they claim to be witnesses that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Even a Pauline writer admits that he is a false witness, a LIAR, if there is no resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:15 KJV

Quote:

Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up , if so be that the dead rise not.

It is an extremely simply matter before us.

The Pauline Corpus is a Pack of Lies.

The Pauline Corpus is a compilation from False Witnesses because they testified that Jesus was raised from the dead when the dead rise not in any century.

And not only is the Pauline Corpus a pack of lies from multiple False witnesses it can also be deduced that the Pauline Corpus was most likely composed very late in order to reduce detection of the lies about the resurrection.

1. If Jesus did exist --he could have only been human.

2. If Jesus died ---he did not resurrect.

3. If Jesus actually lived and died then people, acquaintances and the Family of Jesus would have known he was dead.

4. If Paul claimed Jesus was raised from the dead when those people, acquaintances and Family were still living then the Pauline writers would be IDENTIFIED as LIARS.

The Pauline LIES that Jesus was raised from the dead by God must have been or most likely was fabricated when those who knew Jesus was dead were no longer living.

Hu-man died to set man free, here now man in the image of God.

Hu- is from humi to identify earthly to place human as earthly opposite to man as heavenly.

Human was created in Gen.3:7 when [their] eyes were opened and realized that they were naked, and to see this, an ego-awareness is needed that later became known as Adam in: "Adam where are you" and the figleave was used to acknowledge the shame complex that was not yet in Gen.2:25 to serve as foreshadow of this.

So clearly Adam is created by conjecture only to take charge of the TOK as hunter/usurper, while the woman in charge of the TOL will gather and take charge of the gather to be his own dowry in bethrothal if ever he will manage to die to this [illusory] second nature . . . here now as Second Adam (there called Jesus).

And are you trying to tell us now that resurrection from such an event is not possible if it is no more than a mask that we wear? . . . if all that is required is a vision to see the pretender we are? . . . wherein even a simple rapture of this ego awareness will set the man free as God in his own right here in now in heaven on earth.

Toto · 06-01-2013, 10:07 AM

DNFTEC is not quite applicable.

Unless you think that aa5874 is in a flame war with the "Pauline writers."

stephan huller · 06-01-2013, 10:09 AM

... with reality? Logic? With the rest of the world? With what reason dictates?

Jeffrey Gibson · 06-01-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

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Originally Posted by aa5874

The Pauline writers are not credible because they claim to be witnesses that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Even a Pauline writer admits that he is a false witness, a LIAR, if there is no resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:15 KJV

Quote:

Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up , if so be that the dead rise not.

It is an extremely simply matter before us.

The Pauline Corpus is a Pack of Lies.

The Pauline Corpus is a compilation from False Witnesses because they testified that Jesus was raised from the dead when the dead rise not in any century.

And not only is the Pauline Corpus a pack of lies from multiple False witnesses it can also be deduced that the Pauline Corpus was most likely composed very late in order to reduce detection of the lies about the resurrection.

1. If Jesus did exist --he could have only been human.

2. If Jesus died ---he did not resurrect.

3. If Jesus actually lived and died then people, acquaintances and the Family of Jesus would have known he was dead.

4. If Paul claimed Jesus was raised from the dead when those people, acquaintances and Family were still living then the Pauline writers would be IDENTIFIED as LIARS.

The Pauline LIES that Jesus was raised from the dead by God must have been or most likely was fabricated when those who knew Jesus was dead were no longer living.

Hu-man died to set man free, here now man in the image of God.

Hu- is from humi to identify earthly to place human as earthly opposite to man as heavenly.

Human was created in Gen.3:7 when [their] eyes were opened and realized that they were naked, and to see this, an ego-awareness is needed that later became known as Adam in: "Adam where are you" and the figleave was used to acknowledge the shame complex that was not yet in Gen.2:25 to serve as foreshadow of this.

So clearly Adam is created by conjecture only to take charge of the TOK as hunter/usurper, while the woman in charge of the TOL will gather and take charge of the gather to be his own dowry in bethrothal if ever he will manage to die to this [illusory] second nature . . . here now as Second Adam (there called Jesus).

And are you trying to tell us now that resurrection from such an event is not possible if it is no more than a mask that we wear? . . . if all that is required is a vision to see the pretender we are? . . . wherein even a simple rapture of this ego awareness will set the man free as God in his own right here in now in heaven on earth.

Once again, the Twilight Zone.

Jeffrey

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