Tommy

I`m wondering what grounds we have to consider Josephus a source for the canonical gospels aside from quote above.

Toto

It is generally agreed among secular scholars that Luke used Josephus as a source for Acts of the Apostles. See Luke and Josephus.

Ted Weeden, a senior member of the Jesus Seminar, has pointed out the provocative parallels between the gospel Jesus and one of the other Jesus' in Josephus: Provocative Parallels: Two Jesuses

Where do you want to go with this?

Roger Pearse

It's not an idea that enjoys scholarly consensus, however.

aa5874

There is no need to wonder. Names, characters and Events found ONLY in the writings of Josephus are found NOT only in the Canonical Gospels but also Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline Corpus.

1. Josephus mentioned that THREE were crucified and ONE survived--Jesus was crucified with two but he resurrected in the Gospels.

2. Josephus is known to have begged that the crucified be taken down from the cross--Joseph begged for the body of the crucified Jesus in the Gospels.

3. Josephus is known to claimed that there was a James whose brother was Jesus--in the Gospels it is implied that Jesus had a brother called James.

4. Josephus is known to have written about himself when shipwrecked on his way to Rome--Paul was shipwrecked on his way to Rome in Acts and acknowledged in the Pauline Corpus.

5. Josephus is known to have mentioned John the Baptist---in the Gospels Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

6. Josephus is known to have claimed John the Baptist was executed by Herod--in the Gospel, Herod executed John the Baptist.

7. Josephus is known to have claimed Herod married his brother wife--in the Gospels Herod married his brother's wife.

8. Josephus is known to have claimed Jesus the son of Ananus successfully predicted calamities in Jerusalem--Jesus predicted the same thing in the Gospels.

9. Josephus is known to have claimed Jesus the son of Sapphias was a leader of mariners and poor people--in the Gospels Jesus selected fishermen and poor people as his apostles and disciples.

10. Josephus claimed the Pharisees believed there would be a Resurrection--in the Canon, Paul claimed he was a Pharisee and also admitted he was a Witness that God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day according to the Scripture.

11. Josephus is known to have claimed he lived in Galilee in the 1st century---in the Gospels, Jesus lived in Galilee in the 1st century.

12. Josephus is known to have claimed one could see the Temple from Mount Olives---Jesus was at Mount Olives observing the Temple when he supposedly predicted the Fall of the Temple.

13. Josephus is known to have mentioned Herodias and her daughter---in the Gospels Herodias and her daughter are mentioned.

14. Josephus is known to have mentioned the death of Herod after he was declared a God--the death of Herod is found in Acts.

15. Josephus claimed that Daniel predicted the Fall of the Temple and desolation of Jerusalem---in the Gospels, the Jesus character ALSO made reference to Daniel when he predicted the Fall of the Temple.

The ENTIRE Canon--not only the Gospels--was influenced by the writings of Josephus.

Brendan Rizzo

Wait, are you claiming that Josephus was Paul?

MrMacSon

Richrd Carrier has recently stated [Aug 14, 2013] that "all present copies of Josephus derive from the copy Eusebius held in his library, which was Pamphilus’s library, inherited from Origen" (last sentence of second-last paragraph of Carrier's post).

MrMacSon

In another blog-post, Carrier makes reference to G.J. Goldberg's “The Coincidences of the Testimonium of Josephus and the Emmaus Narrative of Luke,” in the Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha (vol. 13, 1995), pp. 59-77. http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2946

outhouse

Unsubstatiated.

Posting one mythicist does not constitute any secular consensus.


Have anything else that will substatiate your claim?

MrMacSon

Richard Carrier has also noted the observation that Luke-Acts contains numerous parallels with the works of Josephus

citing

Steve Mason, "Josephus & Luke-Acts," in Josephus & the New Testament (Hendrickson Pubs: Peabody, Massachusetts, 1992): 185-229

aa5874

I made no claim at all that the Pauline writers were Josephus. As you can clearly see I did make reference to authors of the Gospels NOT just the Pauline Corpus.

My argument is that the Jesus story in the Canon, including the Pauline Corpus, was influenced by the writings of Josephus which would mean the ENTIRE Canon was composed AFTER at least c 100 CE.