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Old 06-24-2013, 09:59 PM   #11
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Detering takes one liberty, choosing to call Jesus Isu Chrēstos
“Why do you call me good?” – Jesus
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We already have a case for mythicism. It’s a slam-dunk.
And what exactly kind of a case is that?

You can post it in the "what started Christianity" thread if you think you have something that even remotely makes any sense at all.

I haven't seen anything yet from any mythicist that fits reality.
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“Why do you call me good?” – Jesus
If that was the case it would be an argument AGAINST calling Jesus 'the good.' But luckily these are two distinct terminologies.
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“Why do you call me good?” – Jesus
If that was the case it would be an argument AGAINST calling Jesus 'the good.' But luckily these are two distinct terminologies.
Are you sure about that?
Mark 10:18
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone ...”

Luke 18:19
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone ...”

Matthew 19:17
“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good ...”
What was GMatthew thinking?

Why did he change it?

What was ruffling his matthian feathers?
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My impression is that Carrier wants to stick as far as possible to credentialed scholars. Doherty relies on mainstream scholarship for the most part. If you can construct a case for mythicism based on mainstream scholarship, why go out on a limb?
We already have a case for mythicism. It’s a slam-dunk. It’s more a matter of social conditioning than it is of providing new/more evidence. We are dealing with a delusional disorder.

It’s like the obesity problem; or cigarette smoking. - It’s an education/ psychological problem.

More new/ convincing evidence might be nice, but it’s not the show-stopper.

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A 2005 study conducted by Baylor University, a private Christian university, found that one percent of Americans in general, and 13.7 percent of religiously unaffiliated Americans, believe that Jesus is a fictional character. Comparable figures for Britain in 2008 say 13 percent of the general population, and 40 percent of atheists, do not believe that Jesus existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
I found the ComRes stuff online - here it is:

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METHODOLOGY NOTE:
ComRes interviewed 1107 GB adults online between 22nd and 24th February 2008. Data
were weighted to be representative demographically of all GB adults.
ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

HEADLINES:
66% of the British public think that ‘Jesus was a good man and wise teacher’;
47% think that ‘Jesus was a holy prophet’; 40% think that ‘Jesus was the son of
God’ and 13% think that ‘Jesus never existed’.

http://campaigndirector.moodia.com/C...rHeadlines.pdf
I can’t find page 16 of “What Americans Really Believe” online, but here’s a link to the book:

http://www.baylorpress.com/Book/48/8...y_Believe.html

My point is this: If 1% of Americans believe Jesus never existed, and if 13% of Brits believe Jesus never existed, then it is not the ‘scholarship’ or the ‘evidence’ that is lacking. It's a social thing. Like obesity or cigarette smoking.

No kidding.


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And if the info at Wikipedia is correct …

Lets look at your quote mining, you forgot this part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory


However, Walter Kania, a former Pastor and Director of a United Campus Ministry at Michigan State University was highly critical of the study saying "the statistics and conclusions in the book were made of fundamentalist concoctions and cooked statistics".



So that is a big "IF" your trying to mine.
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And FWIW I also find it depressing to see that Carrier (apparently) believes that ‘Paul’ was a real character.

Why would you find it depressing?


He has also stated Nazareth probably existed in the time of Jesus, going against Rene Salm.


Is that also depressing?



You use wiki as a source, yet wiki claims there are two facts regarding Jesus LIFE, his baptism by John in the Jordan, and his crucifixion.


Is that depressing?
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And if the info at Wikipedia is correct …
Lets look at your quote mining, you forgot this part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory
However, Walter Kania, a former Pastor and Director of a United Campus Ministry at Michigan State University was highly critical of the study saying "the statistics and conclusions in the book were made of fundamentalist concoctions and cooked statistics".
So that is a big "IF" your trying to mine.
The footnote to that quote from Walter Kania relates to a general criticism of that entire statistical study by Baylor, and is not specifically related to the Jesus Myth hypothesis.

A Credible Christianity: Saving Jesus from the Church (or via: amazon.co.uk) By Walter Kania - p. 60-61 (can be viewed on google books.)

This is not quote mining.
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I can’t find page 16 of “What Americans Really Believe” online, but here’s a link to the book:

What Americans Really Believe (or via: amazon.co.uk)

page 16 is not on my preview, but search for "fictional."
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