outhouse

Ehrman also claims peasant status.

Socioeconomic status has the possibility to eliminate faulty scholarships based on older models.

Because scholars all have different views on their personal HJ, does not discount the best information we have to reconstruct a HJ using cultural anthropology, which is less open to personal opinion and more fact based from archeology.

Correct?

Toto

So?

Please explain what older models and "faulty scholarships" you refer to, and exactly how they were eliminated.

No, not correct. To start off with, your sentence structure is incoherent.

The historical Jesus is not a "personal HJ."

Is there a methodology for reconstructing a putative historical character from cultural anthropology? I don't think so.

And how is this less open to personal opinion or more fact based than archaeology?

Cheerful Charlie

History is FULL of examples of peasants creating more or less sophistiicated religions or movements. Examples, the many different religious movements of the middles ages that lead to the Albigensian crusades. Manias such as flagellants and others. Oddball movements such as the Brothers of the Free Spirit. During the Hussite wars, various bizarre groups like the Adamites. Jewish messiahs were a dime a dozen in the middles ages and a few of these self proclaimed messiahs had large followings such as Zabbatai Levi. In England we have lots of evidence of various loose movements collectively called the ranters, including mystics, religious skeptics, and odd movements such as the Fifth Monarchy Men. John of Leiden in reformation Germany and on and on. Not to mention similar phenomena of Islam. Many of the more sophisticated religious movements were stamped out by brute force, the Albigensian crusades, the passing of strict blasphemy laws in England to deal with the more dangerous ranters, et al. If you mean succesful religions, we have Socinnians, Anabaptists et al to point to as examples of religious variants of Christiannity that have prospered, more or less. In the Middle East, Alawites, Druze and other religious sects that still exist.

Cheerful Charlie

Cheerful Charlie

The gospels et al are not really history, but they make claims that may or may not be true. I merely pointed out the few verses that made claims about literacy of Jesus and his disciples. Some I ignored, the women taken in adultery claims Jesus wrote something in the dirt. But that whole chapter was a late edition, and was added to several various gospels fairly late. We can never know for sure about much of anything historically about the claims of the gospels. Of course if you take the later Christological claims Jesus was merely an aspect of a triune God, Jesus must have been literate and much, much more. And of course it depends on what you mean by literate. Emperor Charlemagne could read, but not really write for example.

All of this points more to the opinions of the gospel writers than to factual history.

Cheerful Charlie

outhouse

We can look at Martin Hengel's work and see how Strange expands on it here.


http://www.afglc.org/Hellenistic_Sep...Forum_2010.pdf



And if you read you will have the answers your looking for.



Not only that, Reed has advanced Stranges view which are even more modern.

There is a evolution of knowledge here, and it you want to look at it like a creationist does with evolution, and then complain about scholarships cant make up their minds the way scientist do regarding evolution.

You mam are sorely mistaken. There is nothing wrong with advancing kowledge through archeology and how it applies to cultural anthropology. And I believe you know this.



Quit attacking the messenger and attack the message, if you have the knowledge.

outhouse

Found the source.

Nat Geo "Jesus the preacher" 2005

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...the-preacher1/

Stephan Patterson Professor of new Testament, Eden Theological Seminary.

States, The fisherman disciples were "one rung above a beggar"



Sorry tied him into Crossan and Reed because he is or was a member of the Jesus Seminar.

http://www.eden.edu/Stephen%20J.%20Patterson.aspx



Steve holds membership in the Studiorum Novi Testamenti Societas, the Society of Biblical Literature, and the North American Patristics Society. He serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Biblical Literature, is Contributing Editor of the Bible Review, and a Fellow of the Jesus Seminar.

dogsgod

I hope this Legion isn't the raging lunatic that goes rabid towards those that aren't as certain as he is about Jesus' existence. I can't remember where I encountered that loser but I hope it wasn't here.

dogsgod

No one is attacking the messenger, questions are being asked as to how so and you are not up to answering them, that is your problem.

outhouse

My old friend, first actually, from my very start of this hobby from religious education forums.

I supplied sources, and answered the questions.

outhouse

legion is one of the most well read people I know. He is pretty reasonable to me.

It was here, and RF. All though he doesn't post here anymore.