aa5874

Again, you are incapable of producing any passage in Aristides' Apology where he claimed the 12 disciples were Jewish.

Your arguments are based on non-existing evidence inundated with blatant speculation which are logically barren.

I have already pointed out to you that Justin wrote that the doctrines of the Jesus cult were regarded as Godless, Lawless and Unholy by Jews.

Now, Justin would also admit that the Jews did NOT acknowledge that the Christ had already come.

So, up to the mid 2nd century the Jews did NOT invent stories about Jesus the Christ.

Justin's Dialogue With Trypho CX Again, Tertullian wrote AFTER Aristides and Justin and also ADMITTED that the Jews did not acknowledge the advent of Jesus up to at least the END of the 2nd century.

Tertullian's Answer to the Jews It was the Gentiles that Concocted the story that Jesus the Christ had already come and that the Jews KILLED the Son of God and Messiah since the time of Pilate.

The Godless, Lawless, Unholy story of Jesus did NOT originate with Jews.

It was the GENTILES who fabricated the Blasphemy.

TedM

Yep. All I could rely on was the use of intelligence. Sorry if that offended you.


If you believed Justin, why not Aristides, your own source? Your selectivity is random and self-serving.

In order to avoid going on self-ban again, I will have to avoid paying any more attention to you, as it is clear there it nothing worthwhile I am able to learn from you due to the methods you choose to employ, whether they be disingenuous or simply foolish.

aa5874

What!!! Your presumptions and unsubstatiated claims are the results of your use of intelligence.

Aristides claimed that God came down from heaven, lived in the daughter of man and had 12 disciples and you presumed that they were Jewish.

Please!!! God had 12 Jewish disciples?? What intelligence you use??

The Jesus story is pure unadulterated Mythology like those of the Jews, Greeks and Romans.

Your pattern of argument is extremely predictable. As soon as your fallacies are exposed you either get angry or run away.

So far you have shown that you have very limited knowledge of the writings of antiquity and cannot support your claims about Josephus and Aristides.

Now, let me continue to demolish your fallacies with intelligence.

There are multiple GENTILE writers of the Jesus cult who wrote that the Jews did NOT acknowledge any character called Jesus as the Christ and did NOT acknowledge the Advent of the Messiah up to the mid 3rd century.

If the Jews did NOT accept Jesus as the Christ and did NOT accept his advent then how in the world could the Jews have started the Jesus cult?

Examine the writings of Hippolytus.

Refutation Against All Heresies 9.25 Once intelligence is used it can be easily deduced that the Jews did NOT start the Jesus cult up to the time of Hippolytus or sometime around the 3rd century.


Let me use intelligence once again.

Examine the writings of Origen.

Origen's Against Celsus 2.74-75 It is extremely intelligent to deduce that the Jews did NOT start the Godless, Lawless and Unholy story of Jesus based on Aristides, Justin, Tertullian, Hippolytus and Origen.

It was the GENTILES who concocted the blasphemy called Jesus the Son of God.

We know WHAT, WHO, WHEN and WHY the Jesus cult was started.

J-D

Why was it done, by which I mean, what was the motivation?

mountainman

The term gentiles and the term Greeks are both used (often interchangeably) in the earliest Greek bible codices.




Why not start with the usual (political) motivations for such a practice in antiquity?

Namely, that the ruler(s) found it useful.

Akhenaten
"Moses"
Ashoka
Ardashir I
Bullneck I
Muhammad

εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

outhouse

Ah, you mean Hellenist.




Unfounded, and unjustifiable.

J-D

Why not?--because, judging by track record, anything suggested by another poster is liable to be rejected by aa5874 as a monstrous misinterpretation.

aa5874

Please, your track has been exposed. You invent stuff.

J-D

See what I mean?

TedM

It's so predictable. Yet so outlandish that I never ceased to be amazed by it. It's like watching a movie that is so ridiculous you just have to see what happens next...mildly entertaining but a total waste of time otherwise, for very little productive or good comes from it.