Shpongle

Depending on what type of creationist you ask, it's either:

a) kind = species

b) who knows, but not more than would fit on Noah's Ark

Doubting Didymus

And no matter what:

c) humans are a single kind.

Shpongle

But of course. We're "special".

Mageth

a) kind = species

Or genus, or family, or...??? Cretinists tend to lump several distinct species into one "kind"; e.g. Darwin's finches.

b) who knows, but not more than would fit on Noah's Ark

That was the answer I was going for. Kinds are the divisions the Animal Kingdom must be grouped into in order to fit all "kinds" on the Ark.

Shpongle

They don't do so explicity, though, at least not that I've seen. Usually it's the old, "cats are one kind, dogs are another" bit. I've yet to see any creationist explicity claim that kinds are all animals at the family or genus level.

On the other hand, I have seen a few creationists claim that kinds are the same as species.

Mageth

Pete:

Some creationists make the argument that a few hundred or thousand "kinds" were what Noah loaded on the ark, and those "kinds" micro-evolving into the diversification of species we see now, e.g. Darwin's finches, etc. Thus, a group of related species micro-evolved from one "kind" on the ark, and are really still the same kind. They sometimes refer to this phenomenon as "variation", rather than evolution.

This web page, for example, lumps wolves, coyotes, dingos, and collies into a "dog kind."

"All species of dog we have today came from 2 dogs off of Noah's ark. There is a loss of information from the original dog kind to the new species."

Spaz

lmao, what is the guy with that web sites deal? Is he being sarcastic? I sure hope so. How could 2 dogs that interbred after the flood over and over again come out with something that looks so different? I don't get it, maybe I'm just stupid

Mageth

he being sarcastic? I sure hope so.

I'm afraid he's not. He gets some of his info from Answers in Genesis.

Doubting Didymus

Well, actually.

That is exactly what HAS happened! over the past 10 000 years, all breeds of dog we see today diverged from a single breed of dog, which looked a lot like a wolf itself. 100 000 years ago, both dogs and wolves were also the same breed, so it's not as farfetched as it sounds. However, applying this argument to noahs ark requires a LOT of evoluiton to happen in a very very short itme indeed, much more and much quicker than any evolutionist is willing to accept. Ironic, huh?

Spaz

I'm just starting to really learn about evolution and I don't fully understand it, but yes, I can understand over a long period of time how it could eventually change like that, but I don't get how it can happen in just a couple thousand years, or get how anybody can think that it can happen in such a short time.