andy_d

Sorry, still thinking about bunnies here!

You're going to have to do better than that if you want to have a discussion. Try sticking to the point and using coherent arguments, for a start.

I know you can do it!

Light

Probably caused by letting "the economy" run the planet.

Something to do with the root of all evil.

I'm just guessing. Honestly.

Weltall

Can we have that Bunny/Pancake picture again? I think Light's last post is deserving.

Light

Well all of you bunnies can eat your pancakes and your wafers and your ludicrous religion.

If the Military had been running this entire planet from the beginning then everything would be working properly.

It is the civilian population that has bred like bunnies according to the dictates of religion.

The Military have always known that the three things that cause ALL of the problems are, religion, politics and sex.

EVERY TIME that the Military tries to advise religious or political groups what is best for the people they are shouted down by religious and political groups who are only, usually greedily, considering themselves and their private vested interests, due to all of the corruption in religion and politics.

Civilians are undisciplined. The Military has more discipline than any number of disciples and prophets.

Religion is TOTAL nonsense and VERY damaging to human civilisation.

More atrocities and wars have been fought in the name of religion and God than peace has been brought about by Military Control and GOOD public RE-Gulation in the name of God.

Civilian populations become decadent and corrupt, Military populations do not even have to.

War is Hell, Hell is religious, Peace is Heaven, Heaven is well ordered, polite, courteous and respectful.

Not the respetto or the omerta of the religious protection racket Mafia and their hypocritical and heretical sexual inquisition.

RE Legion

SELF REspecting.

Weltall

Bullshit
Tell that to the soldiers past and present that also increased the population, or are you ignorant of the fact that soldiers are also capable of reproducing. There's also this little thing called rape that was a popular pasttime of soldiers in the 'good old days' which increases the population.
Which is why the military is never politicized or combined with religion. Riiiight.
You might want to try reading a few history books sometime. Most of the time the military has tried to tell people what to do things turned out Very Badly. Look up the recent history of Nigeria for one example. The name Oliver Cromwell might also be of interest to you, and these are just starting points.
Uh-huh, tell that to the Fourth Crusade. Tell that to the Bosnians, tell that to the Vietnamese. I could go on for hours.
Which is why you support military totalitarianism and your particular brand of religion as the replacement.
Ignoring your decidedly odd capitalization, so now you're arguing that the military does sometimes act 'in the name of God'. Do you see the contradiction here?
More bullshit. Military organizations throughout history have been just as corrupt as civilians, if not more so. Power corrupts, and when you wield the military stick...
If war is hell, why do you advocate it. If war is religious, why do you claim that the military isn't? How is Heaven NOT religious?
Now you've completely lost me.

Corona688

I think you're missing something. Look, up there in the upper left... yes, the pretty swirly image with Internet Infidels Discussion Forum on it. This is not a particularly religious board, Light. In fact, this place is a forum consisting of people somewhat like me - atheists, agnostics, and so forth. I'd wager that most of the people you're debating don't have a ludicrous religion.. in fact, the only one advocating any religion in this thread is you. So has said many a conqueror. The military has also caused more death than anything else, barring famine and plague.

It doesn't just lead people - it leads people into killing other people. That's what it's THERE for, Light. Not a pleasant business, and certainly not the sort of business I'd like to have running the planet. I agree. Please stop advocating it. I would like to point out that these religious wars have also been fought by the military, with the possible exception of insanities like that crusade of children. People are people. Power corrupts, military or no. Have not some of the worst monsters in history been military conquerors? And religious. Hence by your definition, nonsense.

Light

The worst monsters in history have been religious trouble-makers. Urging people to have more children than anyone can take adequate care of, educate properly and give meaningful jobs to.

As anyone who is homeless or forced into prostitution or crime.

If a Global Military had ever been able to regulate the birth of children properly there would have been no need for all of the killing brought about by religious HYPOCRITES.

As Matthew 23:27 (NOT a church leader, please note, a disciple of Christ who was crucified by religious autorities for defending the poor of the time) says that you should NOT call any priest or rabbi father bfore your own Father then WHY all of these churches and relmigious organisations which only preach religious hypocrisy hatred and bigotry, when Christ preached love and peace?

God had commanded Honor THY Father and THY Mother not any priest, rabbi, imam or minister.

So why all of the religion when all you need is belief in God through science?

Does it need religion to say that people globally have ttoo many children and it is getting very difficult to project a future where we can still feed them all.

There are other resources to think about too.

If EVERYONE STOPS having children for thirty years there may be some hope but when you hear people say that they "believe" that there is room for another 80 billion then you know you are dealing with a demented cretin.

They fought WWII when there was only 2�5 billion. At the end of that there were 2�0 billion people left. So how was it allowed to rise to 6�0 billion before any alarm bells rang? There are STILL people warring. This is not living in peace.

To be able to do so they need to have only ONE child and protect it properly, and not start fiddling around with sexual games play.

The Fiddler on the roof fiddles whilst ROME burns those who are not roman-catholics and do not believe in this "One true church".

What does a Buddhist do? Or anyone else who is not catholic?

Answer that lot for me.

Corona688

News flash: Humans have a tendency to reproduce, whether religion tells them to or not. It is the nature of life to reproduce itself, so stop whining that it's all religion's fault.

So, I stand by my claim that some of the worst monsters in history have been military conquerers. Unless you believe that mass-murder and genocide are not crimes? Do you think the world would be a better place if one out of every three people suddenly died, right now? Would you care to rephrase that as a complete sentence please? How religious was Alexander the Great? Aside from calling HIMSELF a god, that is. And there was certainly no need for all the killing that he did. Neither do I recall Napoleon Boneaparte being particularly religious. Stalin was actually anti-religious, and he still killed. Of course, the Popes led many crusades and killed many people too, but there were many other factors than religion involved. Your attempt to blame everything on religion is naieve. Please stop quoting bible snippets, people here hold no stock in them. All you are gaining with them is dersion.He never commanded me. Why? You assert this without facts. Science does not lead one to god belief. Neither does it lead one away. God is a completely UN-scientific concept, hence the two are independent. You are preaching to the choir here. Most people here don't appreciate the interference of religion any more than you do - your religion included. And people warring proves your point how? What *IS* your point? The nearest I've been able to tell is 'everyone follow me the catholic church is evil and non-god and you know in your heart you believe in god even though you don't so stop reproducing and do as I say'. Geh! Slow down and make one argument at a time! This is already happening in many parts of the world, the birth rates have gone way down. These countries are also the biggest consumers of everything, in the world. So I would call this progress. 1) The fiddler on the roof is a myth, it didn't happen.
2) Rome is no longer burning. It was put out a long, long time ago.
3) Nor does Rome burn people who are not roman-catholics. Nobody has done that for a very long time.

What exactly did you MEAN, light? Stop mixing metaphors and just tell us that.
Done. Now go back and answer all of MY questions that you tactlessly ignored. To wit:

Do you realize that running the planet via military force would cause a great amount of horror and suffering and death? You can't cure a patient by killing him.

The religious would be irrelevant if the military did not follow them. The people you would have controlling us by force are the ones who have been at the heart of the problem all along. Why would you advocate their control?

Why would the military be any better than any other ruler civillizations have had? Your idea is not unique, light. You have simply reinvented the 'military dictatorship'.

Light

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News flash: Humans have a tendency to reproduce, whether religion tells them to or not. It is the nature of life to reproduce itself, so stop saying that it's all religion's fault.

But it IS religions fault. He may well beat his breast exclaiming Mea Culpa. A religion that kills the first born because they are too small, quite untrue, deals in killing and suffering. They ended up by killing Christ because He was the first (and ONLY) born. Is THIS what Brothers do to a fellow Brother? If so then it MUST be hypocrisy. Surely crucifying ANYONE in the name of "religion" is hypocrisy. If religion had not stooped to killing then it could not be held to be GUILTY

So, I stand by my claim that some of the worst monsters in history have been military conquerers. Unless you believe that mass-murder and genocide are not crimes? Do you think the world would be a better place if one out of every three people suddenly died, right now?

It was religion which constituted the Jews as Satan, Saturday, Saturn, satanic and had them praying on a Saturday. Do YOU think that this is a rational thing to do? Did they not exterminate THEMSELVES in concentration camps of their OWN making? Is this the CHRISTIAN thing to do. Answer: NO. This is the WORST aspect of Roman Catholic religion. They now say that it was a "mistake" to use real people to play the part of satan in their little Heaven & hell scenario. The domain of the Crimson King, aka The Scarlet PIMPernel.

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As anyone who is homeless or forced into prostitution or crime can testify. (See: New Testament. Born in a Stable because The "Inn" was full.)
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Would you care to rephrase that as a complete sentence please?
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How religious was Alexander the Great? Aside from calling HIMSELF a god, that is. And there was certainly no need for all the killing that he did. Neither do I recall Napoleon Bonaparte being particularly religious.

He was called a Holy Roman Emperor. Like a Herod of Galigula. Whilst Rome sits at the centre of this global amphitheatre with its matchmaking fiddler, fiddling with YOUR balls and then burning people if you do not believe in their little double dealing game, where they fleece sheep.

Stalin was actually anti-religious, and he still killed.

He should have restricted the activities of these religious hypocrites and RE-Gulated His society properly. This is NOW being done by the State. It could never be done by religion BECAUSE of its double-dealing hypocrisy.

Of course, the Popes led many crusades and killed many people too, but there were many other factors than religion involved. Your attempt to blame everything on religion is naieve.

So you think that religion and popes are God. Is this what you are saying. A religion which causes
Unnecessary suffering by perpetuating ignorance and superstitious nonsense in a perpetuum mobile Roman Amphitheatre game of heaven & hell for its own aggrandisement, where Christians who are NOT roman catholic are thrown to the "lions" of judaeism, the Roman churche's tame satan.(They DO acknowledge that this is a "slight" mistake. Quote from the Vatican: "For the mistakes we might have made." Fools!)

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As Matthew 23:27 (NOT a church leader, please note, a disciple of Christ who was crucified by religious autorities for defending the poor of the time) says that you should NOT call any priest or rabbi father bfore your own Father then WHY all of these churches and relmigious organisations which only preach religious hypocrisy hatred and bigotry, when Christ preached love and peace?
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Please stop quoting bible snippets, people here hold no stock in them. All you are gaining with them is dersion.

Matthew, like Christ, had NO religion, He was helping Jesus to found one. NEW Testament.

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God had commanded Honor THY Father and THY Mother not any priest, rabbi, imam or minister.
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So you don't believe in honouring your mother and father? If you atre able to. Most people can do so. But NOT where third party Roman INTERFERENCE is concerned, producing more poverty and criminality than ANY other organisation in a stupid attempt to see the mighty (The State) Fallen. (Church versus State.)

He never commanded me. Why?
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So why all of the religion when all you need is belief in God through science?
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To show you that religion is a bag of tricks far removed from the Truth. Pure science has NO religious tricks or trickery. It is IMPURE (corrupt) religion which deals in trickery.

You assert this without facts. Science does not lead one to God belief. Neither does it lead one away. God is a completely UN-scientific concept, hence the two are independent.

NOT if you study Egypt from a purely scientific point of view. Then you know ALL about the workings of God, without any further religion, with NO church and with NO priests of rabbis, as Matthew said is the case, then as it is now.

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Does it need religion to say that people globally have too many children and it is getting very difficult to project a future where we can still feed them all.
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You are preaching to the choir here. Most people here don't appreciate the interference of religion any more than you do - your religion included.

I don't have a religion. I have a scientific belief, which stems from the science of Egypt. I have no need for religion.

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They fought WWII when there was only 2�5 billion. At the end of that there were 2�0 billion people left. So how was it allowed to rise to 6�0 billion before any alarm bells rang? There are STILL people warring. This is not living in peace.
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And people warring proves your point how? What *IS* your point? The nearest I've been able to tell is 'everyone follow me the Catholic church is evil and non-god and you know in your heart you believe in God even though you don't so stop reproducing and do as I say'. Geh! Slow down and make one argument at a time!

Why would anyone have more children when there is no room, or renewable resources, for them to live sustainably on a self-sustaining planet. Must they breed like lemmings until apocalypse overwhelms them? Any Military Commander will tell you what happens to any army which outreaches its ability to supply itself. It fails. Logic And Logistics, not religion.

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To be able to do so they need to have only ONE child and protect it properly, and not start fiddling around with sexual games play.
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This is already happening in many parts of the world, the birth rates have gone way down. These countries are also the biggest consumers of everything, in the world. So I would call this progress.

I agree with you. However, given the single child role model people should not have been encouraged to have so many children. Had they had a single child policy LONG ago, then they could have been living in PEACE as they are supposed to do. They would then have NO need for ABC WMD.

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The Fiddler on the roof fiddles whilst ROME burns those who are not roman-catholics and do not believe in this "One true church".
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1) The fiddler on the roof is a myth, it didn't happen. This is the evil of the devil. It IS happening ALL the time.
2) Rome is no longer burning. It was put out a long, long time ago.
3) Nor does Rome burn people who are not roman-catholics. Nobody has done that for a very long time.

Not since the Holocaust you mean. Rome burning MEANS burning those who do not agree with Rome. See: Joan of Arc for an historical example. Would a CIVILISED religion do such a thing?

What exactly did you MEAN, Light? Stop mixing metaphors and just tell us that.

You do NOT understand the deliberately ambiguous DUPLICITY of statements like Rome burning/burns, meaning that it burns PEOPLE.

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What does a Buddhist do? Or anyone else who is not catholic?

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Done. Now go back and answer all of MY questions that you tactlessly ignored. To wit:

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The military has also caused more death than anything else, barring famine and plague.

Because religion breeds too many people IN THE FIRST PLACE becuase they are irREsponsible CRIMINALS.

It doesn't just lead people - it leads people into killing other people. That's what it's THERE for, Light. Not a pleasant business, and certainly not the sort of business I'd like to have running the planet.

ONE Global Military Organisation would lead the people FAR better than any number of sectarian religions. There would be the SAME rules for everybody, and ALL would be treated Equally.
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Do you realize that running the planet via military force would cause a great amount of horror and suffering and death? You can't cure a patient by killing him.

[B]You don't have to kill ANYONE, let alone crucify them if they are not born. But because religion does not and WILL NOT allow family planning and follow a single child policy, often attacking the first born "weakling" it creates Unnecessary suffering where there should be NONE.


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I would like to point out that these religious wars have also been fought by the military, with the possible exception of insanities like that crusade of children.
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The religious would be irrelevant if the military did not follow them. The people you would have controlling us by force are the ones who have been at the heart of the problem all along. Why would you advocate their control?

Because the sectarian nature of religion and different churches means that, unless they can become ONE they cannot control ... anything, simply because they cannot treat everyone fairly and in the same way. �galmit�, Fraternit� and Libert�. The TRUTH sets you free NOT a pack of lies from a double-dealing bunch of hypocrites playing heaven and hell.


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People are people. Power corrupts, military or no. Have not some of the worst monsters in history been military conquerors?
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THE worst "monster" in ALL of history is Rome. Imagine a church that INSISTS that the Sun orbits the Earth when the Egyptians already knew LONG AGO that the Earth orbits the Sun. The Egyptians even fixed the stars in the sky. So just what is all of this Roman BS?

Why would the military be any better than any other ruler civillizations have had? Your idea is not unique, light. You have simply reinvented the 'military dictatorship'

As long as it is a BENEVOLANT Military which looks after people properly and shows them respect, courtesy, kindness and LOVING helpfulness there should NOT be a problem.

The people have MORE respect for the President than for all of these corrupt "churchmen" playing Heaven & hell devils & satans.

"Better the devil you know"? Better to have NONE at all.

In my ... opinion.

andy_d

One thing I don't understand about your worldview, Light, is that you claim to have integrated ancient Egyptian religion with Abrahamic monotheism.

This makes no sense to me. Monotheism was heresy to the ancient Egyptians. Just look what they did to Akhenaton. He tried to introduce monotheism, and they didn't like it one bit. They tried to erase all record of his existence after he died, IIRC.

How do you reconcile two totally opposing systems into one consistent philosophy? If you were able to pull that off without any leaps of faith, i'd be suitably impressed.