Rousseau_CHN

...so do I. What I meant to say was that a world that never had a religion is absurd.

[sorry for the ambiguity]

SecularFuture

AMEN!!

SecularFuture

Wildernesse,
Yes.

That’s my point. We need to start talking about things that are real, and leave the make-believe, magical theistic thinking in the children’s section of the book store.

I’m not against ancient concepts. I’m against magical, unfounded, thinking.

How can one better contribute to a naturalistic world? - Through naturalistic thinking? Or – through supernatural / magical thinking? Think about it.

Believing in a universe that is 6,000 years old, and believing that evolution is a myth created by scientists, is holding back our progress. The more unified, and founded, our concepts are, the better our progress will be.

Only because we let it be. We have complete control over ourselves. In order to have change, we need to first want it.

It wouldn’t create a perfect world, but it would create a better, more rational, and critical world.

It would be the most logical replacement. Think about it. If people were more concerned with the wellbeing, and future, of others… just imagine the progress that would result.

SecularFuture

What is this? Do most of you believe the world is "OKAY" with theistic religion? Theism is dangerous and brain damaging, and we need to, at least, try to do something about it. And a good place to start would be through debate and promotion. Promote secular humanism, or secular transhumanism, as an alternative to magical, unrealistic, thinking.

ashibaka

That is a total exaggeration.

"Theism is brain damaging" confuses cause and effect. Brain-damaged people are often fundamentalists, but that doesn't mean becoming a fundamentalist makes you brain-damaged.

"Theism is dangerous" only applies to the militiant strain of fundamentalists. There are, what, 10 or something abortion-doctor bombers? Islam is worse, but they're behind a few hundred years-- Christianity got a head start and has now finished the Middle Ages.

Fundamentalists themselves make up probably 10% of Christianity. The percentage is much larger with Islam, but that doesn't mean theism itself is brain-damaging.

Of COURSE!

I know lots of people whose theism does not interfere at all with their lives. Some of them take an hour out of their free time on Sundays to congregate, and we sometimes get into (light-hearted) arguments about religion, but they are PERFECTLY NORMAL PEOPLE.

Seriously!


(N.B. I am of the opinion that the world would be better off without theism. This does not invalidate my post. )

SecularFuture

* When the scientist discovered that the Earth was not the center of universe, who was there threatening the life of the scientist and forbidding the promotion of his/her founded discovery?
THE THEIST!
Why? Because it contradicted their unfounded beliefs!

* When the scientist discovered that humans were the result of an evolutionary process, who was there trying to ban the promotion of this founded discovery?
THE THEIST!
Why? Because it contradicted their unfounded beliefs!


And, what does the theist want to replace founded, scientific, discoveries with? - Unfounded, magical, ignorant thinking! They have even killed us (freethinkers) for having the courage to think outside of their tiny, religious, boxes of mythology and superstition.

By understanding the truths about our universe, we will be able to have more control with place in it. By understanding our bodies, we will be able to develop better medicines to fight off disease. We still do not have a cure for cancer or A.I.D.S, and I blame the theist for this! If they would get out the way, or get with the program, we could have made a lot more progress with everything! If there were more people out there searching for a realistic solution for our problems, we would have made a lot more progress by now. But no! We're too busy fighting the theists, trying to convince them of the scientific truths we already realize!

Moreover, I do not care if they are somewhat religious or extremely religious. They (theists) all need to be converted to a form of secularism, whether it is secular humanism, secular transhumanism, or just good ole’ fashioned atheism. It doesn’t make any sense for grown people (adults) to hold serious to a belief in a supernatural superman! Its just crazy! Think about it!

For Example: Wouldn’t it seem strange if a 40-year-old person said, “You better be good this year if you want presents from Santa Clause!” Wouldn’t you think that there was something wrong with this person? Why is the quote, “God loves you” any different? Both quotes sound pretty fucking crazy to me! And do crazy people need? HELP!

SecularFuture

Intelligent people tend to be more secular
http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-t...christians.htm

Marduk

“* When the scientist discovered that the Earth was not the center of universe, who was there threatening the life of the scientist and forbidding the promotion of his/her founded discovery?
THE THEIST!
Why? Because it contradicted their unfounded beliefs!”

This is a popular misconception, the theists were not upset that the Earth was not the center of the universe, they were upset that the Earth went around the sun. They thought the Sun was ‘up in the heavens’ above the Earth. Up is good, where God is, Down is bad, where people are, below God, hell is even worse, below the Earth.
The theists were also very upset that Galileo reported seeing sunspots! This meant the Sun was not perfect! How could something in the Heavens not be perfect?!

Kassiana

Do most of you believe the world is "OKAY" with theistic religion?

Kass: Yes. I wish that most of the fundamentalists in religion, politics, and social belief would disappear off the planet or convert to a more reasonable belief, of course, but theistic religion itself is not inherently harmful any more than a kitchen knife is inherently harmful. It's how it's USED that makes it dangerous.

SecularFuture

Yeah, you're right. Thank you for clearing that up.