Ion

I re-re-...repeat, because you are confused for days:

There are no historical records of Jesus miracles.

If Jesus existed, history doesn't know it.

If a 'Jesus' performed miracles, history would know it.
This means Jesus, if he existed, didn't perform miracles.

Because history doesn't establishes Jesus, why believe in just a religious book?

Got it?
I guess you are still catching up with my October 13 posts...

Cheers!

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Ion ]</p>

Ion

This worries me about you, Leonarde:
to which I gave this reply:
The reason for my worry, is that Butters posted this, and you claimed to understand and agree with Butters:
Are you sure, this discussion isn't a little bit too hard for you?

leonarde

Posted by Ion: Huh? What does "it"
stand for in this sentence???

How can you claim over and over again that
something isn't a "historical fact" but don't feel
at all constrained by the judgements of historians? Who do you think makes historical judgements?

Cheers!

Ion

Prove me wrong:
show me historical evidence of the existence of Jesus, Judas and miracles by Jesus.

For three days I challenge you on providing historical evidence, and you sure blah-blah around but not produce it.

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Ion ]</p>

Ion

I re-post this Leonarde, since I see you failing:


This worries me about you, Leonarde:
to which I gave this reply:
The reason for my worry, is that Butters posted this, and you claimed to understand and agree with Butters:
Are you sure, this discussion isn't a little bit too hard for you?

Jack the Bodiless

On the thread <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000656" target="_blank">When is a Biblical contradiction REALLY a Biblical contradiction</a>, I gave you an example of a much larger contradiction running through the Bible.

You chose to ignore it.

...Presumably because it couldn't be summed up in a snappy one-liner?

Let me guess. All contradictions will be dismissed as "too brief" or "too verbose". None are "just right" for Mr Vandevasion.

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Jack the Bodiless ]</p>

leonarde

Posted by Ion addressing me: Yes, it's way too hard for me: without a Madame Regine the Mindreader and a Rumanian interpreter all your posts are either indecipherable or contradict something you have said before. I've given up trying to engage you.

Cheers!

Ion

Like what?

It seems to me your reply to Butters about one billion believers in Jesus, was contradicted by yourself regarding people who don't remember learning about Iulius Caesar.
Baidarka, also posted many times your inconsistencies, when debating here, and I can quote him.

You sure bring up excuses like Mindreader and interpreter, to attempt covering up a faulty reasoning.
Any non-Christian historical evidence for the existence of Jesus and Judas, and for Jesus' miracles?

I don't think there is, so your posts are incoherent religious fluff.

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Ion ]</p>

Vibr8gKiwi

This has really deteriorated. If nothing else it stands as an example of how a believer can argue the sky isn't blue to save his faith. For fun, someone that isn't being ignored by V should post a numerical contradiction to see V argue 1+1 isn't equal to 2. Something like:

I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."

II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."

Chronicles and Kings are near copies of each other so they are good sources for finding errors between them (many numerical errors are there).

Vibr8gKiwi

And as long as we're on errors of how people died, there's this little error:

How did Saul die? 1 Sam. 31:4 says he killed himself; 2 Sam. 21:12 says he was killed by a Philistine; and 2 Sam. 1:10 says he was killed by an Amalekite.