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Toto · 11-26-2002, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by TrueThinker:
<strong>fellas, fellas......

I said "Most" not "all". Granted y'all may not like the fact that it mentions "God", but the commandments do not conflict with the law.

My question was that "do they conflict" ? Is there really anything wrong with them? I mean really, besides the fact they mention "God"?

What does that have to do with anything? Is there really a need for such a remark? We are discussing wether this judge violated the constitution by whatever he put on his monument. Can we stick to that?

Toto, you just posted the commandments, but where is the conflict, or disagreement with the law? hm? The judge just has them on a monument. Is there any proof that he wants them enforced?

Buffman, if this judge-ten commanmandments thing is a volation, what about the 25c coin and all forms of U.S. monetary exchange that say "In God we trust"? Now I know you don't trust God, but does it mean every time you use money you're being forced to believe in Him? hm? What about the courts? Why swear on the Bible and not some other book? All this stuff just confuses me. If you believe your founding fathers held your interpretation of the Constitution why do all these elements exist? I would like to know if you can show me which article of the U.S. Constitution has been violated. Maybe you can provide a similar case from around the time of your founding fathers, to show me they would definitely agreed with your viewpoint cause I'd really like to know.</strong>

The First Amendment to the US Constitution forbids Congress from doint anything that would tend to establishing a religion. The 14th extends that prohibition to the states and to Judge Moore.

If Judge Moore had just put his statute up as decoration, with no indication that he wanted to make America a Christian nation, that would have been one thing. But he was condemned by his own testimony - he wants the 10C recognized as the basis of American Law. They are not the Ten Suggestions in his opinion. And he is endorsing the Protestant King James version of the 10C, not the Catholic or the Jewish version.

The founding fathers did not put "In God We Trust" on the money, and did not put God into the national motto. Those mistakes were made in the anti-communist hysteria of the 1950's.

No one is ever required to swear on a Bible, but for most people swearing on a Bible has as much religious significance as knocking on wood.

Is it your position that mentioning God is too trivial to complain about? Some religious people would take issue with that.

Babylon Sister · 11-26-2002, 10:40 AM

Actually, "In God We Trust" has been on US currency since 1862.

[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Babylon Sister ]</p>

dangin · 11-26-2002, 10:52 AM

It's been on SOME american currancy since 1862. It has been on ALL american currancy since the 50s. It started out on gold coins, and silver dollars.

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11-26-2002, 10:40 AM	#22
Babylon Sister Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wyoming Posts: 894	Actually, "In God We Trust" has been on US currency since 1862. [ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Babylon Sister ]</p>

11-26-2002, 10:52 AM	#23
dangin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Middle, Kansas Posts: 2,637	It's been on SOME american currancy since 1862. It has been on ALL american currancy since the 50s. It started out on gold coins, and silver dollars.

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