triplew00t

The problem is people arent satisfied with that. Hitler killed 7 million. He's dead. Mother T. spent her life helping millions (arguably). She's dead. What does being good earn you then? Hitler can't possibly get off just being dead, as thats the same 'punishment' that the good get.

People fail to see that the universe doesnt care much what you do. It is apathetic to your actions. You live, you die. If you are evil, people may kill you faster, and revile your memory, if you are good, you may live a full life (not hastened by murder of you) and be revered as a saint after death. But after death, it really wont matter to you how people remember you, or how long you lived even (seeing as you wont know). This just doesnt seem fair. My response is: so what. Get over it. Make your own fairness in life, and stop leaving up to God after you (and others) are dead.

A "Der Wille Zur Macht" Nero

crocodile deathroll

Yes I agree whole heartedly. I may be far better to strive for how people remember after you die, than pin your beliefs on a heavenly realm or a fear of eternal damnation that does not exist. That is just complete fallacy that may of been OK in the Middle Ages, but in these enlightened times it no longer works. So regardless of what you like to believe the truth is the truth and the laws of nature are really morally neutral.

Mother Theresa may of saved millions of people, but saving people in that manner is not exclusive to religion. You do not have to be the slightest bit religious to be nice because Australia's ophthalmologist the late Fred Hollows was an Atheist and he save and even cured more people from blindness than Jesus ever dreamt of.

Louis Pasteur did not necessarily have to be religious for his good deeds for mankind and that would of arguably saved billions. I would prefer to be remembered as Louis Pasteur of Fred Hollows than than that religious zealot dogooder Mother T any day. And I certainly hate to go down in history and be remembered as Amrozi.

CDR

Relative Newcomer

Bingo.

emotional

You don't know your quantum physics? You don't know particles vibrate at a particular frequency?

Mock mock mock. That's all you atheists can do.

triplew00t

Emotional, come on. I realize that he was being asinine with that last comment, but please don't group all atheists together. I am an atheist, yet I thought you and I saw eye to eye on many things (if not the God question). Given that I am not a non-supernaturalist as well helps, I suppose. You have given me much help, and been a regular partner in my threads. Please don't group me, or all other atheists, under such a broad brush stroke just because one (or even many) atheists can be pains in the ass.

A, once again, mediating Nero

Shadowy Man

Yes, I do know my quantum physics. What kind of vibration are you talking about? Are you saying that individual particles vibrate? Are you talking about particles in atomic energy states? Molecular vibrational modes?

Or are you getting into string theory? I do admit that I am not up on my string theory.



It's not about mocking, it's about you admitting that you don't believe what you believe due to any reasonable argument attempting to invent some physics to explain what you choose to believe.

emotional

Argument by ridicule is a pretty common and consistent feature of atheists. The only time I wasn't ridiculed for my views by atheists was when I was an atheist myself. I can't say they all do that, but most of them do. I did that too when I was an atheist.

The funny thing is, the only time I was mocked was when I tried to bring evidential or logical support for my claims. They don't mind me saying "I believe and that's it", because that's no challenge to their worldview. But bring evidence or logic for your other worldview, and watch the sparks fly.

*sigh* Very often lately, I've been wishing I could return to atheism again. It would mean a renewed friendship and cameraderie with the majority of people on these boards. Unfortunately, my fear of death is keeping me on the God-belief.

emotional

I don't know. Lay it off. I didn't say anything.



I don't know anything about string theory.

Well, if my belief has anything to do with reality, then it needs to have scientific support, doesn't it? Faith in something isn't support for its existence.

Shadowy Man

Look I'm not trying to mock you. And I'm not attacking you personally. I have the same issue I have with you with anyone who strings together scientific words in order to sound like their beliefs have a firm basis in established physics.

This is what you said:

If you don't know what that means why did you say it? You either know what "quantum vibration" means or you don't. If you don't, why are you using it as a basis for backing up your beliefs?

That's fine. And it is a worthwhile endeavor to look for scientific backing of these things. I rarely ever outright dismiss suggestions of paranormal activities. There is plenty that science can't currently explain. What I do have a problem with is people uttering pseudo-scientific babble as an attempt to sound more legitimate.

Just say that you don't know. You hope that there may one day be scientific justification for your beliefs, that is fine.

It's like watching Star Trek: "Switch the polarity on the gamma converters in order to change the tetrion particle field , blah blah blah..."

emotional

I picked it up from websites dealing with "the scientific evidence for life after death". It's a habit left from my evidential days and I still haven't got rid of it.

I apologise. I don't know the first thing about quantum physics or relativity. I flunked big time in physics at school. The only science I really know well about is linguistics.