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Old 06-16-2002, 12:18 AM   #61
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You mentioned the word "physical". I merely suggested that perhaps the laws themselves are not physical, which you alleged.
The laws of physics are by definition physical.
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:20 AM   #62
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<strong>The laws of physics are by definition physical.</strong>
Actually, "physics" comes from latin "phisik", meaning "nature".

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Old 06-16-2002, 12:22 AM   #63
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Actually, "physics" comes from latin "physik", meaning "nature".
Natural = physical, my good chap.
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:24 AM   #64
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<strong>This is just getting absurd. Huh???

Lay off those Ritalins man.</strong>
No not exactly. Just because an argument for theism doesn't work, does not mean it is contra to theism! The fact that "Cats are green, therefore Australia exists" is not valid, does not negate the conclusion!

This particular argument does contradict theism. In a way, it also refutes atheism.

I call the coffee mug on my desk "God".

But does it fit the definition?

Huh???

It is true. "You cannot infer a design until you can define a designer.
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:27 AM   #65
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<strong>Natural = physical, my good chap.</strong>
I never said it wasn't; however, there's not a scintilla of evidence that would indicate that "laws" are physical. Even if they are, their being physical would not alter the position of Trebaxian Pantheism.
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:28 AM   #66
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This particular argument does contradict theism. In a way, it also refutes atheism.
It is simply a bad argument. Bad arguments fail, they don't prove, nor contradict, nor refute, anything.
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But does it fit the definition?
No, but neither does the "laws of physics", as I showed above. You are simply redefining "God" to suit your needs.
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It is true. "You cannot infer a design until you can define a designer.
My "huh?" was due to confusion over relevence.
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:28 AM   #67
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I'm going to write a revised edition on this matter.
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:31 AM   #68
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I never said it wasn't; however, there's not a scintilla of evidence that would indicate that "laws" are physical.
The laws are, by definition, physical! The laws of non-physics would be, by definition, something else!
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Even if they are, their being physical would not alter the position of Trebaxian Pantheism.
Gods are by definition non-physical! You cannot call a physical thing a god!
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Old 06-16-2002, 12:47 AM   #69
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No, but neither does the "laws of physics", as I showed above. You are simply redefining "God" to suit your needs.

You never explained how God has to be non-physical, even by definition.

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<strong>Argh! Gods are by definition non-physical! You cannot call a physical thing a god!</strong>
But are they really? Can they be omnipresent, and non-sentient? Yes or no!

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