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Puck · 03-04-2003, 07:18 AM

What's that I smell?

A bluff?

ElectEngr · 03-04-2003, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David M. Payne
these two questions and the mythology that has arisen from them.
Where did we come from?
Where are we going?

No...No...THREE great questions...

Where did we come from?
Where are we going?

and

What are we doing for lunch?

No...No...FOUR great questions.....

(Sorry, Just had to mix Hitchikers Guide and Monty Python)

Later,
ElectEngr

missus_gumby · 03-04-2003, 10:37 AM

"There is no god." - Penn, and "He's right." - Teller - on an autograph done for Donny and Marie Osmond (during their 1998 appearance on the Osmond's syndicated talkshow).

braces_for_impact · 03-04-2003, 11:04 AM

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus

And *poof* goes the Christian god in a puff of logic.

Wyz_sub10 · 03-04-2003, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
You wouldn't have stood a chance arguing with Thomas Aquinas.

So, you are denying that there exists the greatest of all Truth? If this was so, then all things are equally true -- and obviously, that cannot be.

Gemma Therese

Well, I would deny there exists "the greatest of all Truth." What does this mean?

There does not have to be "degrees of truth" to avoid concluding that all things are equally true. Something is either 'true' or it is not. There is no need for 'great truths', 'good truths', 'minor truths' or 'so-so truths'.

Harumi · 03-04-2003, 12:55 PM

Somebody post the section of God and the babelfish proof from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Doug Adams. Do it!

David M. Payne · 03-04-2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David M. Payne
Gemma Therese (GT) is a drive by poster these days. She isn't able to argue her position with anything approaching logic, but she has some sort of compelling personal reason to try and get us to see her light.
I think what drives her are these two questions and the mythology that has arisen from them.

Where did we come from?
Where are we going?

I think that these two questions are at the roots of the belief in the Abrahamic God of GT and most religions for that matter. Nice of you to drive by and shoot us with one of your quotes Gemma, see you on your next drive by. And you can quote me on that GT.

David

"God, and religion, the oldest scam in history, and it still sucks them in today.

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
You wouldn't have stood a chance arguing with Thomas Aquinas.

So, you are denying that there exists the greatest of all Truth? If this was so, then all things are equally true -- and obviously, that cannot be.
Gemma Therese

We'll never know, will we? But I do pretty well around here. As for your greatest truth, I assume you mean the truth of existence of God GT? Or did you have some other great truth in mind? Not being omniscient, I can't read your mind.

Quote:

Originally posted by braces_for_impact
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus

And *poof* goes the Christian god in a puff of logic.

I think your right here BFI, but I believe this argument by Epicurus was really the genesis for the free will argument. Having no answer to the point Epicurus raised, someone, no one knows who, created the free will argument to counter this point. It failed. I like it so much I used it in my last story published here.

Quote:

Originally posted by ElectEngr
No...No...THREE great questions...

Where did we come from?
Where are we going?

and

What are we doing for lunch?

No...No...FOUR great questions.....

(Sorry, Just had to mix Hitchikers Guide and Monty Python)

Later,
ElectEngr

Sorry, but I had a great pastrami sandwich already today EE. Now I'm open for lunch tomorrow...

David

"God, and religion, the oldest scam in history, and it still sucks them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!

never been there · 03-04-2003, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
You wouldn't have stood a chance arguing with Thomas Aquinas.

You're right I wouldn't. Circular reasoning gives me a headache after about 10 minutes.

The Cromwell Institute · 03-04-2003, 09:16 PM

Plus, arguing with someone from such a distant time period, there'd be all sorts of linguistical difficulties and misunderstandings, different dialects and so on and so forth. Not to mention the fact that there would be no way to get him to accept any point raised in favour of atheism because of his mental hardwiring re. religion.....

Yeah, it'd be hard to argue in person with Thomas Aquinas, GT. But not for the reasons you'd like to think, and not in a way that helps your argument [insofar as you have coherently argued ANYTHING] at all.

David M. Payne · 03-04-2003, 11:36 PM

I don't know you guys, all this logic and reason you're using, when GT is talking religion. That�s like mixing holy oil and water, isn't it?

David

"God and religion, the oldest scam in history, and it still suck them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!

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03-04-2003, 07:18 AM	#31
Puck Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: A middle aged body. Posts: 3,459	What's that I smell? A bluff?

03-04-2003, 10:37 AM	#33
missus_gumby Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	"There is no god." - Penn, and "He's right." - Teller - on an autograph done for Donny and Marie Osmond (during their 1998 appearance on the Osmond's syndicated talkshow).

03-04-2003, 11:04 AM	#34
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus And poof goes the Christian god in a puff of logic.

03-04-2003, 12:55 PM	#36
Harumi Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 3,184	Somebody post the section of God and the babelfish proof from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Doug Adams. Do it!

03-04-2003, 09:16 PM	#39
The Cromwell Institute Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 766	Plus, arguing with someone from such a distant time period, there'd be all sorts of linguistical difficulties and misunderstandings, different dialects and so on and so forth. Not to mention the fact that there would be no way to get him to accept any point raised in favour of atheism because of his mental hardwiring re. religion..... Yeah, it'd be hard to argue in person with Thomas Aquinas, GT. But not for the reasons you'd like to think, and not in a way that helps your argument [insofar as you have coherently argued ANYTHING] at all.

03-04-2003, 11:36 PM	#40
David M. Payne Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The land of chain smoking, bible thumping, holy ro Posts: 1,248	I don't know you guys, all this logic and reason you're using, when GT is talking religion. That�s like mixing holy oil and water, isn't it? David "God and religion, the oldest scam in history, and it still suck them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!

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