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The Gnostic · 03-08-2003, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by Salmon of Doubt
If god was female, she would have seen that men would cause us women a lot of trouble, and made all of us lesbian and parthenogenetic

Very well said!

Luiseach · 03-08-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by The Gnostic
The only argument I have is that with the way we have evolved/created (take your pick), we are reliant on BOTH the male and female being present. At least as far as natural procreation is concerned. Therefore it is a logical conclusion that women ( as they are right now ) would not exist without men, barring the occassional sperm bank (although those did require a donor at some point). And last time I checked, "most" females of our human kind (yes I know "kind" could be a whole other discussion) can not produce sperm on their own.

In other words I believe we have reached what would be a circular point in this discussion about male -> female -> male -> female.

I agree with you on all of the above.

In fact, I wouldn't like it if there were only women, and no men. What a boring world that would be!

Light-hearted illustration of how the existence of both male and female can lead to interesting situations (other than the most obvious, I mean):

I just had the most hilarious convo with my husband about the subject; I suggested that masculinity was a 'variation on the feminine paradigm,' which led to much hilarity between us...okay, we're eggheads, and find such thoughts amusing...

The Gnostic · 03-08-2003, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by Luiseach
I just had the most hilarious convo with my husband about the subject; I suggested that masculinity was a 'variation on the feminine paradigm,' which led to much hilarity between us...okay, we're eggheads, and find such thoughts amusing...

Actually, I like that a lot. I hope you don't mind if I still that line. I would venture to say that a lot of us on here are eggheads ;-)

I believe this line may be usefule for a friend of mine who is gay, and does not understand why I still like women after a nasty divorce.

Luiseach · 03-08-2003, 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by The Gnostic
Actually, I like that a lot. I hope you don't mind if I still that line. I would venture to say that a lot of us on here are eggheads ;-)

Absolutely! (both to the request to nick the line and to your statement about egghead participation at the forum)

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I believe this line may be usefule for a friend of mine who is gay, and does not understand why I still like women after a nasty divorce.

I would venture to guess that you still like women because you don't want to generalise from one experience.

The Gnostic · 03-08-2003, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by Luiseach
I would venture to guess that you still like women because you don't want to generalise from one experience.

Something along those lines ;-) Granted, had you asked me right after, I might have a different answer.

I still have yet to find out why he harbors so much animosity towards women.

Luiseach · 03-08-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by The Gnostic
Something along those lines ;-) Granted, had you asked me right after, I might have a different answer.

I still have yet to find out why he harbors so much animosity towards women.

I don't often generalise, because it only leads to distortion of facts. (is that a contradiction? am I generalising about not generalising?

), but our experiences (good and bad) do influence our perceptions...I guess it's unavoidable.

As for animosity towards any specified group...I've never understood this tendency at all. If you find out why it can happen, I for one would be interested!

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