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livius drusus · 06-27-2003, 01:22 PM

This thread was created from the Holocaust revisionism chunks of jewish religion is evil? in GRD.

Jat · 06-27-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by York
yeah its the talmud that they got the qoutes from. i did actualy get this from a "racist" site though.

i have read and heard a few things from ernst zundel and david duke. they both seem like inteligent people who make valid arguments.

what do you guys make of these people like zundel and duke?

my findings are incomplete so i hope no body has a heart attack when i ask this. but was there a holocaust or not? there is a lot of strong arguments made by zundel and a few others out there. that and the whole zionism thing along with this blatent hate literature that makes up the talmud. its all really mind numbing to me as i put the pieces together and figure out whats real and not.

Yes, there was one. There is just too much real evidence to back it up. My mother had visited one of the camps when she was visiting my sister in Germany when her husband was station there.

Jacey · 06-27-2003, 03:04 PM

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there is evidence showing that no gas chambers or mass cremations happened though. this is the holocaust im referring. shooting people in the street is obviously messed up. herding people like cattle and sending them to gas chambers then ovens is another matter. numbers and events do not seem to add up.

So everyone at Dachau lied to me when I was there in 96...........wow.............I wonder what that "gas chamber" I visited was, thanks for straightening me out!

BTW- You aren't friends with Mark Alinsky are you?

Jacey · 06-27-2003, 03:09 PM

I was in here, in this "shower."

catmar · 06-27-2003, 04:00 PM

Please tell me I'm not the only one suprised that this discussion is still being had at this day and age? I just don't understand how anyone can even remotely think that the holocaust never happened, let alone firmly believe that it didn't.

heartsonfire · 06-27-2003, 04:16 PM

i have read and heard a few things from ernst zundel and david duke. they both seem like inteligent people who make valid arguments.

Just because an individual believes one erroneous thing doesn't mean all of her/his views are wrong, but I have to admit that I tend to take anything Zundel says with a shaker of salt. Why? Because this man seriously believes in Nazi UFOs under the command of a clandestine Antarctic Fourth Reich that has contact with the inhabitants of the Hollow Earth. Herr Zundel is about as reliable as Miguel Serrano.

06-27-2003, 04:29 PM

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Wrong again. There are no two sides here. This has not been a history of mutual conflict. There are the perpretators ( Gentiles) and the victims (Jews). The Gentiles have been committing unprovoked atrocities against us for centuries, with no retaliation on our part. Why on earth you have done this (and I include you, York, because of your post) is a mystery to me. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what is wrong with Gentiles that has caused them to commit massacres and genocide for hundreds of years?

Oh please. If you gonna argue for your righteous truth, PLEASE don't write revisionist history. What about all the stuff that is described in detail in the bible? The jews didn't do that? What about present day Israel?

I hate to quote Jesus, but remove the log in your eye.

By the way, blaming the gentiles makes it sound like your blaming everyone non-jew, because you are, which just plain is not true.

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Did the holocaust happen?

Yes.

TomboyMom · 06-27-2003, 04:35 PM

York: I repeat: my mother was incarcerated at Auschwitz. Her entire family was murdered there. She survived only because she was young, healthy, and therefore valuable to the nazis as a slave. She personally witnessed the gas chambers, the lines of people being herded into them, the corpses being removed daily. Are you calling my mother a liar?

People who say there was no holocaust are saying:

Jews are dishonest. They cannot be believed. Jews manuafacture outrageous claims against gentiles for no reason.

Jews have created the lie about the holocaust in order to control Gentiles through guilt.

Murdering millions of Jews (gypsies, gay people, etc.) is not a holocaust because those people are not really people and so don't count.

Jews have nothing to be upset about, and if they get upset, it is because they have a "victim complex", not because they are the innocent victims of genocide.

Murdering millions of Jews is justified in some way. The Jews deserved to be killed because of actions they took against Germany.

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the real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."

(quote endorsed at National Socialist White People's Party Website.
Here's a few links you may find useful.

http://www.nizkor.org/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/denial.html
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/
http://www.adl.org/holocaust/introduction.asp

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Holocaust denial is a contemporary form of the classic anti-Semitic doctrine of the evil, manipulative and threatening world Jewish conspiracy. It was this doctrine that was instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust. What is on the surface a denial of the reality of genocide is, at its core, an appeal to genocidal hatred.

--Anti=Defamation League

Rene Rosechild "Never Again."

TomboyMom · 06-27-2003, 04:37 PM

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What about all the stuff that is described in detail in the bible?

by himynameisPwn

What the hell are you talking about?
Any BTW, because it's in the bible makes you think it's true?

Rene

Monkeybot · 06-27-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by hymynameisPwn
Oh please. If you gonna argue for your righteous truth, PLEASE don't write revisionist history. What about all the stuff that is described in detail in the bible? The jews didn't do that? What about present day Israel?

Your examples do not contradict TomboyMom's statment that gentiles have, for centuries, been discriminating against and murdering Jews.

Not to mention that the events of the Bible are highly suspect historically to start with.

06-27-2003, 04:16 PM	#26
heartsonfire Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 16	"Intelligence" i have read and heard a few things from ernst zundel and david duke. they both seem like inteligent people who make valid arguments. Just because an individual believes one erroneous thing doesn't mean all of her/his views are wrong, but I have to admit that I tend to take anything Zundel says with a shaker of salt. Why? Because this man seriously believes in Nazi UFOs under the command of a clandestine Antarctic Fourth Reich that has contact with the inhabitants of the Hollow Earth. Herr Zundel is about as reliable as Miguel Serrano.

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