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Defiant Heretic · 06-08-2003, 04:28 AM

I respect people's right to hold any opinion they want. I don't necessarily think it's a good opinion.

Take Alinsky (the neo-nazi who wandered in here awhile back), for example. He has every right to hold his opinions, as long as he doesn't act on them, of course. However, as a result of his opinions, I consider him to be a cretin. (I'm not talking about the views of his that were factually wrong. I mean actual opinions.)

Viti · 06-08-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Birdsmgp
Cause I'm sure we just wouldn't like many people without some common: Race?, Sexual Preferences?, Life Style Similarities?, Having some same Interest?, Same Views of things?, feeling mutual with how a person is by their thoughts and bilogical being?, Someone's possition and statis on life?, Some similar Moral views?, and some way to have most common things with many other things? Yet, at the same time. If anyone has a Diversity to any of this. I have no prejudges or feel a certain person should be a bad person or a person that deserves to be Ostracized or ignored. Or Not worth tolerating for having something that is different from any kind of point of view. I agree that Atheism, is suppose to be mostly the only common thing, while at the same time we can all be different in all these other things. I am wanting to raise some awareness on this scoop, is pretty much what this is all about.

... I think Religion is made to Discriminate Diversity. It's to subjugate people to conform to Narrow Ideals and Ideas of the Religion and try to make this Same Kind Of Subjective Thinking.

... Yet, I find that with half of some "Atheist". Getting respect with or for Diversity, is not excapable as not wanting Religion. You still have another Crowd of People, I feel that still like to Discriminate Diversity and subjugate people to conform to Narrow Ideals and Ideas of other outlooks on life with these individuals.

... Cause some of these Atheist also are not at my best interest.

Could you please try to explain this again? I am not understanding what you mean..."atheists are not at your best interests"?

Is this whole thing about the responses you have received in regards to your sexual woes? In several threads you have claimed you have been ostracized...do you know what the word actually means? You have not been ostracized, people simply have a difficult time understanding your meaning and then you get frustrated and combative and then ignore those who point this out to you.

Birdsmgp · 06-08-2003, 12:27 PM

... "LadyShea"?

... I do get the assumption that you haven't seen a lot of my previous Post before the end of the Month of May?

... So I'm going to search some of those Post. Here is one that I'm not sure you have seen or not? Found > II Secular Commlunity Forums > Miscellanceous Discussions > CF Outcasts Part II CF Outcasts Part II May 11, 2003 10:01 AM PST from me.

... Have you gotten to read this Post? I've talked about "Ostracising" in many areas of things. I suppose that doesn't just mean on this Message Board? I'm reflecting on many things going on with me, if it isn't here on this Message Board. I was trying to get at the way June has started with many things happening. I suppose it wasn't that easy for me to mention a lot more detail about it. Yet one thing is leading to another and I find myself being in a bigger ambigious situation. I guess I would had assumed these things would had gotten some better understanding. Much of this must be, that I assume others have seen some of my Past and Previous Post, for me not having to re-say a lot of it? Any more that I can explain, I will try to from this Post.

Viti · 06-08-2003, 12:37 PM

I have gone back and read many of your previous posts...and you claim that your are ostracized.

The reason you are not getting more understanding is that you do not provide enough detail, in a clear enough manner, for us to comprehend what the issue is. I have to read and re-read your posts trying to figure out what you are trying to say. I understand you have a disability and that communicating is somewhat difficult for you, but we (or at least me) are equally as frustrated.

Try reading your sentence out loud "myself being in a bigger ambigious situation." If someone said this to you, would you have any idea what they are referring to? What is the situation that is ambiguous? Are you using that word correctly...you are saying you are in a "uncertain" situation?

I want to help as I can clearly see you are having some issues and want to talk it out...but it is so difficult.

Viti · 06-08-2003, 12:41 PM

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So I'm going to search some of those Post. Here is one that I'm not sure you have seen or not? Found > II Secular Commlunity Forums > Miscellanceous Discussions > CF Outcasts Part II CF Outcasts Part II May 11, 2003 10:01 AM PST from me.

I read that post and I think you are saying you do not worry much about homosexuality because you are not a homosexual, and that the only issue you have is that women who are lesbians are removed from the pool of women you can choose from.

The problem is that the context of the rest of the discussion was not individual feelings about homosexuality, but about the preoccupation Christians at the Christian Forums board have with homosexuality. It also touched on the fact that Christians disagree about the sinfulness of homosexuality amongst themselves...so your post was slightly out of place.

Okay, so what sort of response were you looking for?

Birdsmgp · 06-08-2003, 12:58 PM

... What I written was: "... and I find myself being in a bigger ambigious situation."

... You have asked me to read outloud: " ... myself being in a bigger ambigious situation."

... You left out: " ... and I find"

... Is this something in which I should had written this out like:

" ... and I find... (Myself). Being in a bigger ambigious situation." ... This?

Viti · 06-08-2003, 01:04 PM

Yes...basically that sentence reads that you have found yourself to be in an uncertain or unclear situation. What is unclear about what situation? There are no details there for us to relate to...you have only said you are involved in a situation.

There is no way to respond to such statements...do you see at all what I am trying to point out? If I posted "I am feeling frustrated because of this", but have never defined what "this" is, nobody knows what I am talking about.

Birdsmgp · 06-08-2003, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
Could you please try to explain this again? I am not understanding what you mean..."atheists are not at your (my) best interests"?

Is this whole thing about the responses you have received in regards to your sexual woes? In several threads you have claimed you have been ostracized...do you know what the word actually means? You have not been ostracized, people simply have a difficult time understanding your meaning and then you get frustrated and combative and then ignore those who point this out to you.

... "atheist are not at (your) my best interests"?

... I had said: "Cause some of these" in front of: "atheist are not at my best interest"

... Before that I had said:

"... Yet, I find that with half of some "Atheist". Getting respect with or for Diversity, is not excapable as not wanting Religion. You still have another Crowd of People, I feel that still like to Discriminate Diversity and subjugate people to conform to Narrow Ideals and Ideas of other outlooks on life with these individuals."

... I miss spelled "excapable" Was to be: "escapable"

So it had to do with any "Atheist" that would expect some things from me, that wouldn't be acceptable if I had something different in what I like or had with my views or of myself. I now see, that you see me being not discriptive enough in some of my detail. I do just want to say some things here to be an overall thing. I thought I had mentioned a few discriptive things and wanted everything else to be in a general idea of many things. I am not having my... (Mind) ... working today. I can't really think back about some of these things, to get more discriptive about them at this time. I hope I will be able to later?

Viti · 06-08-2003, 01:36 PM

Okay, whenever you are ready. I think I am starting to understand.

trekbette · 06-08-2003, 03:05 PM

I have no problem with any religion that does not advocate abuse* of children or animals, treats women or those of other races as inferior, or refuses to let their followers interact in any way with people of other backgrounds.

For the most part, I like to follow the "live and let live" philosophy.

*physical and/or sexual abuse for all those who are going to jump on me about any religion being inherently abusive.

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06-08-2003, 04:28 AM	#11
Defiant Heretic Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,288	I respect people's right to hold any opinion they want. I don't necessarily think it's a good opinion. Take Alinsky (the neo-nazi who wandered in here awhile back), for example. He has every right to hold his opinions, as long as he doesn't act on them, of course. However, as a result of his opinions, I consider him to be a cretin. (I'm not talking about the views of his that were factually wrong. I mean actual opinions.)

06-08-2003, 12:27 PM	#13
Birdsmgp Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Aberdeen, Washington Posts: 434	... "LadyShea"? ... I do get the assumption that you haven't seen a lot of my previous Post before the end of the Month of May? ... So I'm going to search some of those Post. Here is one that I'm not sure you have seen or not? Found > II Secular Commlunity Forums > Miscellanceous Discussions > CF Outcasts Part II CF Outcasts Part II May 11, 2003 10:01 AM PST from me. ... Have you gotten to read this Post? I've talked about "Ostracising" in many areas of things. I suppose that doesn't just mean on this Message Board? I'm reflecting on many things going on with me, if it isn't here on this Message Board. I was trying to get at the way June has started with many things happening. I suppose it wasn't that easy for me to mention a lot more detail about it. Yet one thing is leading to another and I find myself being in a bigger ambigious situation. I guess I would had assumed these things would had gotten some better understanding. Much of this must be, that I assume others have seen some of my Past and Previous Post, for me not having to re-say a lot of it? Any more that I can explain, I will try to from this Post.

06-08-2003, 12:37 PM	#14
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	I have gone back and read many of your previous posts...and you claim that your are ostracized. The reason you are not getting more understanding is that you do not provide enough detail, in a clear enough manner, for us to comprehend what the issue is. I have to read and re-read your posts trying to figure out what you are trying to say. I understand you have a disability and that communicating is somewhat difficult for you, but we (or at least me) are equally as frustrated. Try reading your sentence out loud "myself being in a bigger ambigious situation." If someone said this to you, would you have any idea what they are referring to? What is the situation that is ambiguous? Are you using that word correctly...you are saying you are in a "uncertain" situation? I want to help as I can clearly see you are having some issues and want to talk it out...but it is so difficult.

06-08-2003, 12:58 PM	#16
Birdsmgp Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Aberdeen, Washington Posts: 434	... What I written was: "... and I find myself being in a bigger ambigious situation." ... You have asked me to read outloud: " ... myself being in a bigger ambigious situation." ... You left out: " ... and I find" ... Is this something in which I should had written this out like: " ... and I find... (Myself). Being in a bigger ambigious situation." ... This?

06-08-2003, 01:04 PM	#17
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Yes...basically that sentence reads that you have found yourself to be in an uncertain or unclear situation. What is unclear about what situation? There are no details there for us to relate to...you have only said you are involved in a situation. There is no way to respond to such statements...do you see at all what I am trying to point out? If I posted "I am feeling frustrated because of this", but have never defined what "this" is, nobody knows what I am talking about.

06-08-2003, 01:36 PM	#19
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Okay, whenever you are ready. I think I am starting to understand.

06-08-2003, 03:05 PM	#20
trekbette Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 533	I have no problem with any religion that does not advocate abuse* of children or animals, treats women or those of other races as inferior, or refuses to let their followers interact in any way with people of other backgrounds. For the most part, I like to follow the "live and let live" philosophy. *physical and/or sexual abuse for all those who are going to jump on me about any religion being inherently abusive.

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