Arrowman

Let me say at the outset that I knew when I made my post that the environment in a woman's body has a significant effect on the gender development of a fetus in terms of
a. The selection of a "male or female" sperm as the successful applicant for the job of fertilisation and
b. Influence on the "Fight to be Male" by the developing embryo.

- my question was perhaps over-simply phrased. Still I didn't expect such an interesting answer from Amos!

A basic summary of the facts can be found here:
<a href="http://www.amnionet.com/p252.htm" target="_blank">http://www.amnionet.com/p252.htm</a>

Now to Amos' ramblings.

Well, that makes your nonsensical answer quite appropriate, then.

The terms "gender" and "sex" are broadly interchangeable and their meaning must be taken in context. To speak of the "gender" of an embryo is the same as speaking of its "sex". "Gender identity" is a whole different kettle of zygotes.

So there goes your credibility. Has John Paul been coaching you in Semantic Pedantry as a Means of Avoiding the Question?

Well, duh. At last we get to the point.

I will tell you that the sun circles the earth, despite all of the evidence that proves otherwise. And I cannot understand why people make fun of me.

No wonder I got an electric shock from my girlfriend the other night. Gave my pee-pee a hell of a fright, let me tell you.

Still, I suppose the more you rub something, the more static charge you build up. Now I begin to understand how sex and foreplay really works.

Oh yes indeedy, my wordy, yes indeedy-do. Abso-didly-doodly.

"Suck, I tell you, suck! 'Blow' is just a figure of speech!"

Hence the term "chick magnet".

Which would be when the ovum is "blowing" rather than "sucking", I suppose.

I think that has more to do with squirting lemon juice up the lady's naughty bits - or is it Tabasco? I can never remember.

Which is why, ladies, if you want to have boy babies, never ever have sex with a man who can cook.

Or in Amos' case, just a complex.

Veil of Fire

Are sperm charged?

I don't remember reading about THAT in Human Sexual Behavior!

The sperm carries the Y chromosome. Period. No other way a Y chromosome is getting into that kid.

Arrowman

Perhaps we could charge them with

- Disturbing the Peace
- Sexual Harrassment
- Riotous Behaviour
- or, in some cases, Fraud

Amos

Father God, or androgyne, is positive and mother earth, or estragon, is negative. Nothing in life is created without the coming together of heaven and earth.

True but how does the Y chromosome get into the ovum? and why does the Y chromosome not always win and why is it the fleeting chromosome etc.

How about science is always behind the eightbal?

Arrowman

So the Daddy God rubs his androgyne until it's all stiff and then He puts it into the Mummy Earth's estragon.

He's feeling pretty positive about the whole experience, but she's a little negative. Must be because she's all tired out after a long day playing Bridge with the girls.

And then after a while (or a short while, anyway) the heavens move for Him. And maybe the earth moves for Her, but as all Father Gods know, that's not important. He's feeling far too positive.

Still, if the earth does move, She starts feeling a bit less negative about the whole thing.

* snicker * Amos said "coming".

It pulls down the ovum's genes.

Same reasons Essendon haven't been able to win the three Premierships in a row they could have.

Draft, salary cap and injuries.

Because it can't wait to get down to the pub and tell its mates.

With Amos, it's science teachers who would be behind the eight-ball.

Amos

Well Arrowman, from the report you gave me it sounds like the girls in Australia are at least honest to their own sexuality.

You wrote:" The terms "gender" and "sex" are broadly interchangeable and their meaning must be taken in context. To speak of the "gender" of an embryo is the same as speaking of its "sex". "Gender identity" is a whole different kettle of zygotes.

Sure but early gender identity is first and creates the sex to be formed later (essence precedes existence). During embryo development very little changes except the unfolding of Gods plan.

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Veil of Fire

And is there like... you know... EVIDENCE for any of this rambling?

Is there any way we could set up an experimental procedure? Like, say, take 150 expectant mothers at about the same length of time through pregnancy, and have 50 follow a rigerous exercise program, 50 follow a sedentary program, and 50 as a control, and then see whose babies come out gayer?

Or maybe we could do some sperm-egg joining under a microscope to see if certain sperm are "rejected" by certain eggs?

Any way we can quiz a zygote on what it thinks its gender is before it actually develops a gender?

And if essence preceeds existance, why are Christians so hostile to transgenders, both pre- and post- op?

Amos

It actually gets more complicated since it is believed that behavioral inclinations skip one generation.

The exercize thing was added by somebody else and my contribution was that masculine behavior in general would increase testosterone levels during pregnancy. I added rational thought (as opposed to non-rational) as another contributing factor. Assertive behavior is a good example of this.

The general point here is that since we introduced the "gender equal society" in which the psychology of man is encouraged to cross the biological barrier increasingly more gender identity problems became evident.

This thing has been studied for 20 years and now major studies are underway in Canada and the US why there is a change in the boy/girl birth ratio in favor of girls.

I don't keep track of it all but made this prediction 20 years ago so obviously I am interseted in it.

Christians? As a rule the truth is about opposite to what they think it is.

Bree

My mother was an opera singer - professionally. Coincidentally, she was also a ballet dancer. My father was a businessman who decided he liked opera singers - enough to love 'em and leave 'em (hey, at least it wasn't an American businessman, otherwise we'd have a Madame Butterfly here).

I am the genetic product of a country where 0% of the population is gay (according to the census, of course).

Now, how did I get gay?

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David Bowden

Atticus, I read both of those books years ago - as a Christian minister - and did not find anything about them that I could construe to be "attacking Christianity" or threatening to my faith. The only thing Sagan offers us in that scene in Contact is one fictional character's experience which turned her away from religious answers.

I'm sure there are Christian authors who've written stories whose protagonists left the Christian faith or never adopted it, for similar reasons, and I doubt that their works could be misconstrued as "attacking Christianity."

Michael Martin's "Case Against Christianity," Tom Paine's "Age of Reason" or just about anything by Nietzsche, and Mark Twain's "Mysterious Stranger" - those are attacks on Christianity.

-Wanderer