yguy

As far as I'm aware, the only thing I've done that could have earned me the distinction of <deleted by moderator> is my cutting your attempts to distort my position to ribbons.

HelenM

That wouldn't earn it, but personal attacks might.

Helen

yguy

Get real. I've been more and more civil (with prodding from the mods, admittedly) as this thread has progressed. You'd think I'd be less despised...but I'm not, because I am ruthless in the destruction of my detractors' illogic. They've done nothing in this thread but try to make me out a homophobic bigot and failed miserably.

HelenM

On the other hand, perhaps your increased civility has not effected a great change so far in how people respond to you because it's much easier to destroy one's credibility than to build or rebuild it.

Helen

Bree

Oh give me a break - I am a moderator; I edited myself.Hey, you're the one lumping homosexuals in the same boat as pedophiles, not me.

yguy

Those insults haven't affected my credibility. If they had, the thread would have died pages ago. The basis for the criticism hasn't been my occasional insolence, but the fact that I am holding advocates of homosexual rights in any degree responsible for their failure to completely distance themselves from pedophilia advocates.

And I'm not the only one:

http://www.gayasburypark.com/rainbowroom/rr061203.htm

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Yes. These hate groups have media kits they actively show in Washington, D.C. and to lawmakers on the local and state level. And it’s images like the ones described above that these zealots, ablaze with righteous indignation, point to when demanding of lawmakers: “This is where you, Madam-just-got-elected-mayor-by-a-thread, are letting our tax dollars go?! These are the people you, Mister-up-for-election-senator, want to give the right to adopt children?!”

I’m certainly not implying that kind of thinking is justified. But is our community sometimes it’s own worst enemy? I’m not sure I’d hire us to handle our publicity, if you catch my drift.

<Grin>

Does the responsibility lie solely at the feet of the media because in their coverage of the parade they ignore the myriad of other Gay and Lesbian groups marching that same day that having nothing to do with sex, like PFLAG, or LAMBDA or the Human Rights Campaign? Or, does the responsibility lie at our own feet for giving the media exactly what we know they’re going to want?

If that’s true, how can we later cry “unfair!” when the imagery comes back to bite our gym-honed asses.

And why the hell is NAMBLA allowed to march? In my book, “freedom of speech” doesn’t cover the right to advocate sex with kids, which, no pun-intended, is bottom-line what NAMBLA is about: the right to have sex with kids. And what spineless Gay man or Lesbian in charge of the parade can’t muster up the strength to tell this particular group to take a hike?

I don’t for a second begin to believe to have any of the solutions…well, except for what to do about the NAMBLA disgrace. Yes, sexuality is a large part of what we, as Gay men and Lesbians, are. But sexuality isn’t the sum total.

Would NYC’s Gay Pride Parade be half as much fun for the media if, say, everyone marched in the clothes they wore to work instead of lycra go-go shorts?

Nope.

Would the parade be half as “sexy” a piece to promote as “coming up” during newscasts if, say, instead of going topless, everyone marching wore a rainbow shirt, thus creating one gigantic “rainbow message?”

Nope.

But sometimes maybe less is more. Maybe instead of tons of coverage, NYC’s Gay Pride Parade would generate just one picture.

But you know what they say about the potential of a single picture…

yguy

I figured...but it is the thought that counts, after all.

That's just it. I'm not, despite your pathetic and lamentable efforts to distort my position.

Abacus

Yguy, they don't have to distance themselves from pedophilia advocates any more than you have to distance yourself from Fred Phelps. Do you understand?

keyser_soze

Actually, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone here that would agree that you've won some victory over another's logical abilities. Most would have trouble reconciling the fact that you apparently dance to a tune that none of us can even hear. Trying to dodge responsibility for your goal, by stating "you guys are all wrong, I don't mean it that way, no matter how it looks", is passe, and no one is fooled. But keep at it, maybe you can earn a rep for the most stubborn refusal to admit wrongness in II's history. Of course, you are amongst serious challengers, Magus and DK are my personal top nominations for the title, but hey...give it a go!

Calzaer

Again, due to yguy's explicit refusal to answer any direct questions on the subject, I ask that this thread be ended as it has become nothing more than a troll getting his jollies (if it was ever anything else in the first place).