Dr Rick

Probably with a post here on the IIDB, pointing-out that an omniGOD that doesn't condemn slavery but does commit genocide and is quite mean and nasty in many ways is not really an omniGOD

sophie

Dr Rick,
but being the combinbation of all possibilities does entail mean and nasty AS WELL AS nice and goody.

I suppose all that has to be done now is to demonstrate some form of nice and good, and omniGOD would have regained power.

Hmm, now let me find a suitable case...

sophie

Pyrrho, I think there may some closet Christians who only believe part of the bible, or they were only told the nice bible stories.

What about them then if they exist.

Pyrrho

There are many who call themselves "Christians" who regularly ignore everything they don't like in the Bible, yet somehow pretend that the Bible is somehow special, and often claim it is a guide to their lives (which it clearly isn't, since they pick and choose only those things that they already are inclined to believe and do; hence, what guides their lives are their preexisting beliefs, not whatever they read in the Bible). If we ignore the Bible as evidence for what Jesus said, then we have practically nothing to go on as evidence for him even existing, much less saying anything in particular.

Dr Rick

Sure, but that's not the definition of an omnigod. Part of what an omnigod could do is be all things possible, but that does not mean he necessarily is "the combinations of all possibilities;" if he was, he would be, among other things, a whore, a dirty joke, a booger, and a demon.

It might be better to start with what is meant by omnigod; the Christian omnigod isn't just all-powerful (omnipotent), but also all-knowing (omniscient), and all-loving (onmnibenevolent).

A being that is all loving can't be mean and nasty any more than a square can have 5 sides.

sophie

Dr. Rick : Now let us not restrict what all powerful actually means in combination with all knowing . omniGOD has to know mean and nasty by definition of being all knowing, and by being all powerful omniGOD has to know just how to crush meanness and nastiness.

True enough but when squares exist simultaneously with polygons your logic flips over to my side. As an aside one has to use parallel logic to rationally handle omniGOD. Linear sequential logic just won't cut it. If you accept this argument I can continue the discussion, else, we will do wheelies around each other in singular fashion. YOU?

sakrilege

But different people will believe different parts of the bible and who do you believe? If you believe the wrong version of what the Truth is then that's a problem. If the whole bible isn't the word of god then it seems none of it is.

sophie

sakrilege : Not necessarily true, but there is no substantial way of reasoning to rationally debate this issue. Good sense must be exercised.

Pyrrho

If good sense were exercised, then the whole book would be discarded as the primitive writings of a primitive and superstitious people.

Diotima

I think that I am correct in this case as well and I ( will try to) explain you why.

The only and easy answer to those that they tried to justify their theories of modern slavery based on the Bible, would be one based on moral relativism but I fear that some people are not interested in debunking racial theories but just to advertise their product...