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10-13-2002, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich:

And I wonder if some Catholics consider this allegorical rather than literal.

It is held to be literal but in the preamble "Lord I am not worthy to receive but only speak the word and I shall be healed" we declare our unworthiness to receive and can partake because of the temporary state of grace that is imparted to believers while yet sinners.

The transformation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ (not Jesus) is when we come to the realization that we must consume our equals to stay alive in this biological environment. It is at this time that Catholicism will have served to its end.

galiel · 10-13-2002, 02:11 PM

Seriously, folks, you really need to have a sense of history. This sounds like the Antisemitic calumnies about Jews eating Christian children on Passover. Have a little perspective.

Bree · 10-13-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by galiel:
Seriously, folks, you really need to have a sense of history. This sounds like the Antisemitic calumnies about Jews eating Christian children on Passover. Have a little perspective.

No, I think it's you that has got US wrong (pardon the horrible grammar). There are several "documented" cases where the communion host has magickally changed into a real piece of "Jesus bacon" (I love that!). There are whole sets of books devoted to the topic - one such "case" involves a blood typing of the piece of flesh and matching it to the "blood" on the Shroud of Turin!

galiel · 10-13-2002, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Bree:


No, I think it's you that has got US wrong (pardon the horrible grammar). There are several "documented" cases where the communion host has magickally changed into a real piece of "Jesus bacon" (I love that!). There are whole sets of books devoted to the topic - one such "case" involves a blood typing of the piece of flesh and matching it to the "blood" on the Shroud of Turin!

So Catholics are cannibals? Are the sources you cite from the Vatican? Because, as you know, Catholic doctrine is set by the Pope.

Is it fair to use this kind of smear tactic? Can't religionists point to a fringe atheist kook to tar all atheists with the same filthy brush?

Bible Humper · 10-13-2002, 09:19 PM

The thread <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000739" target="_blank">over here</a> is the older thread regarding this topic. Great laughs there, poor Gemma Therese had her hands full answering gems like Mageth's question. <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

[ October 13, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper ]

Bree · 10-14-2002, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by galiel:


Is it fair to use this kind of smear tactic? Can't religionists point to a fringe atheist kook to tar all atheists with the same filthy brush?

Oh man, can't you take a joke? It's not a smear tactic - it's sarcasm.

Lighten up already!

galiel · 10-14-2002, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by Bree:


Oh man, can't you take a joke? It's not a smear tactic - it's sarcasm.

Lighten up already!

I look forward to your next "hilarious" thread, entitled:
"Are Jews cannibals?"

Bree · 10-14-2002, 10:24 AM

Of course Jews aren't cannibals. They don't eat the body and blood of their Messiah

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Next topic?

Bible Humper · 10-14-2002, 10:43 AM

How is this a smear?

Seriously, what they are doing is indeed, in their own minds, cannibalism.

They believe that the wafer changes into the flesh of Christ, they gobble it down, then they use his blood as a chaser. What else could we call it?

I'm sure that they wouldn't identify themselves as "cannibals" because of the connotations attached to the word, they would no doubt claim that eating Jesus is "different". The dictionary doesn't make exceptions for eating messiahs, alas, it is still cannibalism by definition.

No doubt someone from tribal Papua New Guinea would object to the word cannibalism to describe nibbling on dead relatives to allow them to "live on through his descendants" just the same. Too bad.

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Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	The thread <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000739" target="_blank">over here</a> is the older thread regarding this topic. Great laughs there, poor Gemma Therese had her hands full answering gems like Mageth's question. <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> [ October 13, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper ]</p>

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10-13-2002, 02:11 PM	#12
galiel Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Eastern Massachusetts Posts: 1,677	Seriously, folks, you really need to have a sense of history. This sounds like the Antisemitic calumnies about Jews eating Christian children on Passover. Have a little perspective.

10-14-2002, 10:24 AM	#18
Bree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Twin Cities, USA Posts: 3,197	Of course Jews aren't cannibals. They don't eat the body and blood of their Messiah . Next topic?

10-14-2002, 10:43 AM	#19
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	How is this a smear? Seriously, what they are doing is indeed, in their own minds, cannibalism. They believe that the wafer changes into the flesh of Christ, they gobble it down, then they use his blood as a chaser. What else could we call it? I'm sure that they wouldn't identify themselves as "cannibals" because of the connotations attached to the word, they would no doubt claim that eating Jesus is "different". The dictionary doesn't make exceptions for eating messiahs, alas, it is still cannibalism by definition. No doubt someone from tribal Papua New Guinea would object to the word cannibalism to describe nibbling on dead relatives to allow them to "live on through his descendants" just the same. Too bad.

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