WJ

Koy,

This may or may not help you:

"You will have to spell it out correctly and coherently. You will have to take a position..."

Like you, I have no beliefs:

Koy: I know God doesn't exist.

Walrus: I know God exits.

Is there a better explaination that speaks to your/my position?

Walrus

Koyaanisqatsi

I can lay even money it will not help me, since your purpose here is to never clarify anything so that you never have to defend a position you know you aren't capable of defending.

That is a lie. In another thread you said that you were a Christian.

I have never stated this.

What is the evidence you present that would establish such an absolute?

Yes. You are a stuffer of straw with the intellectual integrity of cedar.

Spin those plates, baby!

Koyaanisqatsi

Again, I suggest you take a Remedial English course.

The comma in the sentence denotes that what comes after the comma is in referrence to what came before the comma, thus "verification, falsification and repetition" would be tools of the scientific method employed where applicable; aka, when required or necessary.

It is a matter of syntax and English comprehension skills.

As before, I suggest you bone up on them.

Sorry for this, Helen, but WJ is like an annoying gnat that just won't go away.

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WJ

Koy,

Are you not able to support your statements and definitions of your distinctions between a truth and a belief by providing clarification/examples?

For instance, again, what does your "scientific method" viz. God refer to...?


Then you said regarding the epistemy links:

"That is a lie. In another thread you said that you were a Christian."

How is that a lie? I *know" I am a Christian. And you *know* you are an atheist.

Walrus

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Jayhawker Soule

What constitutes being a Christian?

Koyaanisqatsi

What isn't clear to you? A "belief" is that which is accepted as true by an individual (or group) regardless of the evidence either to the contrary or of insufficient quality to establish the truth claim to a reasonable degree of certainty.

That is as specific as I can possibly get.

For example: the belief that Jesus is the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost; otherwise known as the Triune God.

There is no falsifiable, verifiable or repeatable evidence to support such a truth claim, nor is the evidence that does exist--ancient Middle Eastern cult mythology--sufficient to establish the truth claim to a reasonable degree of certainty, for hundreds of reasons detailed minutely both here and elsewhere for centuries, but namely because the mythology itself and the cult leaders who inculcate it into their followers proclaim that one must base belief on faith alone, thereby firmly establishing within the truth claim that no parameter as outlined above can be met.

Until you clearly define what the hell "viz. God" means, the above will suffice.

You stated you held no beliefs, yet previously stated you are a Christian. To be a Christian necessarily means that you hold the beliefs of the Christian cult and further that you hold those beliefs on faith alone.

And I "know" you are a waste of my time.

HelenM

You needn't apologize to me for how you answer the posts of other people, Koy.

love
Helen

Koyaanisqatsi

Well, you had started this thread for a purpose and now WJ is dancing around the May pole of intellectual dishonesty for no purpose (other than as part and parcel to his apparently disingenuous nature).

Again, I apologize, if for nothing else than "thread hijacking," because I'm playing into it.

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WJ

Koy,

I appreciate your humour, but I'm afraid you're not going deep enough. 3rd request (and to answer your question "viz. God"):


"verification, falsification and repetition" would be tools of the scientific method employed where applicable; aka, when required or necessary."

When is it 'necessary, applicable or required' to use the "scientific method" to prove or disprove the existence of God?

Walrus

HelenM

Koy, sometimes I am inadvertently a hypocrite...but I know I'd be a hypocrite if I criticized you for thread hijacking, given my own behavior in that regard

Therefore, what can I say?

love
Helen