Koyaanisqatsi

SOMMS,

Since you feel it's perfectly ok to ignore what I actually typed in order to just make up your own conjecture, let me take this opportunity to return the shoddy argumentation in kind and base the following on your omission.

So to recap:

You wouldn't believe in the Great And Powerful Too RAH Loo even if somebody came up to you TODAY and...

-said he was a messenger from TGAPTRL

-told the future and it came true.

-went to the hospital and repeatedly cured people of AIDS, lukemia and cancer

-brought a dead person back to life

-got shot and was proclaimed dead, but then came back to life himself

-ascended into the cosmos

...all in front of your own eyes.

Wow! That was so much fun! I never knew how easy it is to not have to actually present a cogent, intelligent argument or address someone else's argument! I can just make it all up and blissfully ignore all the "icky" parts I don't have the mental capacity to address! Thank you, SOMMS, for demonstrating once again the sound of one hand clapping.

You can say that again! Finally something you've stated that I agree with.

Well, I wouldn't be that hard on yourself. Let's just say it's an illustration of a desperate mind hopelessly attempting to force a conclusion where one does not exist in a pathetic attempt to continue the irrational justification of cult beliefs that can so easily be demonstrated to be fictional, fear-based control propaganda designed to maintain a sheep-like adherence to the whims of a controlling elite.

It's not your fault. After all, you're obviously driven by unseen forces; like a puppet, who is clearly incapable of independent thought, otherwise your innate sense of intellectual integrity would have kicked in and recognized that your hypothetical was nothing more than blatantly unsupportable, sophomoric mental masturbation.

And there's the irrefutable evidence of what I was just talking about. What "actual facts" would you be falsely accusing me of disregarding, you disingenuous little Satan Oscillator Calling The Kettle Black?

You presented no "actual facts," but I guess that just doesn't matter right? When a mind like yours has been corrupted, facts just don't make any difference, right? They're just annoying speed bumps in the road, slowing you down on your way to that straw man convention in Ohio.

Why not try just once in your life to address someone's post directly? Just cut and paste exactly what I typed and go through it point by point and present honest counter-argumentation, if you are capable.

I dare you. No, I double dog dare you, because to accuse me of "believing ONLY what I WANT to believe regardless of the actual facts" is to stand naked in a mirror a thousand feet high in Times Square pointing at yourself.

Such childish skullduggery is typical of you cult zombies, so I shouldn't really be surprised, but every time you fling your intellectual feces thus, SOMMS, it still just shocks me to the bones.

I "believe" only what I want to believe regardless of the actual facts?

You worthless little touch-hole.

No, it isn't and if you had an ounce--an iota; a nano-speck--of integrity you'd never have tried such hack "have you stopped beating your wife" bullshit with me. Compared to the rank crap you pull, SOMMS, "the most ignorant of fundamentalists" is like Hawking on coke.

So, if you care to redeem yourself, here's how.

Address the following as it is written in a point-by-point manner offering cogent, direct counter-argumentation based entirely upon well-reasoned logic. It will be the greatest stretch of your entire life, so don't worry, we will grade you leniently at first, but if you're at all interested in being considered a notch above rank amateur hack, here's your chance:

<ol type="1">[*] Would you believe in the Great And Powerful Too RAH Loo based on a second hand story alone?[*] Would you believe in the Great And Powerful Too RAH Loo based on direct observation of its powers?[*] We know (and, presumably, God would too) that bodily "ascension into the cosmos" would only result in implosion and popsicles, so where was Jesus going when he "ascended into the cosmos?"[*] Since you won't be able to answer question number 3--and this will be the biggest stretch for your limited intelligence to make--don't you think it is more likely that a story about such a pointless bodily ascension into the "cosmos" at a time when everyone thought the sun revolved around the earth is evidence of fiction rather than non-fiction?[*] Since you will not answer question number 4 honestly and we all KNOW what the answer is ANYWAY regardless of the actual facts, since a bodily ascension into the cosmos does prove that the Jesus stories are nothing more than aggrandized myths (unless you'd like to now claim that Jesus was a "gray" ascending to his spaceship), why do you continue to pretend that such a blatant fraud actually occurred?[*] And, finally, don't you think that's a rather difficult and clumsy manner of travel for a being that can trifurcate into flesh and make human beings out of dirt and magically blink the entire universe into being ex nihilo?[/list=a]

Think you can handle that, little clubber?

No?

Neither did any of us.

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Megatron

Koy, you're being too easy on him - any one of us can answer this for him!

Watch, I'll demonstrate.



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TollHouse

Just once I'd like to see SOMMS answer Koy's questions directly. It would be so sweet, but alas, I doubt it will ever happen.

Bill Snedden

Thank you for conceding the point.

As to your point that the question "why then?" could be raised at any point, it merely begs the question as to why He didn't stick around, and continue providing His message personally...

Regards,

Bill Snedden

Queen of Swords

Heck, I'm still wondering how Jesus got into my watch, how SOMMS knows He's there, and when He's planning to get out of it.

Koyaanisqatsi

Why, "soon," of course, Queen. Jesus is always doing things "soon."

TollHouse

LOL!
Don't worry QoS, JC will be around before this "generation" is through.

HRG

Because even if he viewed them he would not be able to say whether they are actual events. An equally viable interpretation for his perceptions would be that a supernatural influence made him see, hear etc. events which never happened in reality.

IOW, admitting the supernatural destroys the link between event and perception. If Being A is able to raise people from the dead, why should Being B be unable to make it appear to me or you as if people were raised from the dead, although it never happened ?

We determine the reality ("what actually happened") around us by using purely naturalistic assumptions - e.g. that photons travel in (almost) straight lines and are not created in mid-air. Remove the naturalistic restraint and reality becomes indeterminable: we'll never know whether we have naturalistically perceived an actual miracle or miraculously perceived an actual non-miracle as a miracle.

See above why a supernatural event can never become a "fact".

Any time :-)

Regards,
HRG.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

HRG,
It seems that a simple observation of the facts is far more rational, likely and unbiased than some dubious consipiracy amoung boogiemen. Free-thinkers have no need (or desire) to construct such paranoid machinations.


Thus the atheistic viewpoint (here) dissolves to obscurity:

Nothing can be known. If you witness something it could just be an illusion...so you better not believe it.


This is completely counter to unbiased thought, which in this case (firsthand witness of miracles) delegates a most simple explanation of the facts: That forces unfamiliar to man (namely God's) are at play.

Thoughts and comments welcomed.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Queen,

What year is it?

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas