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Old 01-24-2003, 02:26 AM   #11
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Hey guys, are you all equating eternalism with the theory of parallel universes?
No, just 4 dimensional space-time and relationships between spaciotemporal events, like the event of Andre Agassi in the Australian open tennis final. I am not sure if he will win it or not, but that is only because the event of me typing this is on a past spaciotemporal event in relation to the AOTF, but it is not as presentism implies that the final is in the absolute universal future.
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I have a very limited knowledge of this subject, however, I do have some ideas. Firstly, Unless one possesses a soul (or it's equivelent), then I don't believe that we enter into any sort of timeless eternity when we die. If you were able to dig up socrates' dead body you would find no semblance of a brain (which in my opinion is the source of consciousness), and therefore no existence.

Also, once a moment has past there is no way of accessing it again. Even as I write this sentence I have no way of reliving the moment of when I began to write. All I have is a memory, and as I'm sure you are all aware, a memory is not an exact representation of reality (I am not a psychologist but I do have a fundamental grasp of various concepts regarding memory); so even through our memories we are unable to access a past event. It is lost. All that remains of the past is what is etched onto our subjective 'now'.




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If you were able to dig up socrates' dead body you would find no semblance of a brain (which in my opinion is the source of consciousness), and therefore no existence.

Also, once a moment has past there is no way of accessing it again. Even as I write this sentence I have no way of reliving the moment of when I began to write. All I have is a memory, and as I'm sure you are all aware, a memory is not an exact representation of reality (I am not a psychologist but I do have a fundamental grasp of various concepts regarding memory); so even through our memories we are unable to access a past event. It is lost. All that remains of the past is what is etched onto our subjective 'now'.




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If you happen to be born generations before Socrates then Socrates would be pure fiction in your view and in time scale of billions of years a mere 5000 years margin of error would not mean anything to you. So you could of been observing a world in your subjective "now time" generations before Socrates was born and not the 21 century AD.
You can only be aware of intervals of time in which you are consciously aware and you will be totally oblivious to the preexisting 14 or 15 billion years before you born and unless you had some advanced knowledge of cosmology then the universe you have no possible means of estimating the age of the universe with your intuition alone, because we know how easy it is to fool people with young earth creationism .
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Events that haven't happened. . .haven't happened, and may not happen. We are not determined beings. Granted, we may be an eclectic conglomerate of experiences that make up our consciousness and therefore influence our choices, etc., however, the events that eventually transpire and subsequently make up our the past are not pre-determined, or already in existence within some abstract concept of time.
All we have is 'now', and I believe that 'now' is not incremental, it is not divisible. Sure, we do our best to divide it into . . .(insert brainiac terminology here). . .in order to try to understand it, but it is a continuum.
And as we ride this continuum (wave) we adapt to the variable conditions as we encounter them, and they become our past, but they do not exist outside of the 'now'.



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Events that haven't happened. . .haven't happened, and may not happen. We are not determined beings. Granted, we may be an eclectic conglomerate of experiences that make up our consciousness and therefore influence our choices, etc., however, the events that eventually transpire and subsequently make up our the past are not pre-determined, or already in existence within some abstract concept of time.
All we have is 'now', and I believe that 'now' is not incremental, it is not divisible. Sure, we do our best to divide it into . . .(insert brainiac terminology here). . .in order to try to understand it, but it is a continuum.
And as we ride this continuum (wave) we adapt to the variable conditions as we encounter them, and they become our past, but they do not exist outside of the 'now'.



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What if you birth was delayed another 200 years will you be trapped in the same absolute "now time" awaiting to be born "now"?


With "surfing carnival" analogy and if you are a presentist you are more inclined to be of the view that your life is like riding on a board called "present" within a single wave called "reality", and when you are wiped out that is the end of your life that is it and this wave just keeps rolling on without you.

I am an eternalist and therefore I believe life is more analogous to riding a surf board after emerging from an eternal sea of spacetime and when you are wiped out you fall into that same eternal sea, because we came into existence because the laws of physics made up possible and the laws of physics before we were born and after we die are identical. Both really the same sea of eternity.
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