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Wyz_sub10 · 10-09-2002, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by sciteach:
Yeah, you're right on there pal--they only gave us hospitals, education, work ethic, love your neighbor (not just your jewish friend), ended slavery twice.
Don't you know that it's unscientific to exalt and magnify the data against a movement, whilst ignoring the abundant data in its favor?
It's what all humanists do. I wonder how many Saudi women are showing us there scientific expertise on web sites such as this?? Why does the 'West' have almost all the best scientists?? Please tell me the pat 'secular' response to this.

Running out the door, but can't ignore this...

* we get all that good stuff without religion
* religion was INSIGNIFICANT in EVER ending slavery (only the Quakers opposed slavery pre-Civil War)
* a huge % of the 'West' scientists are atheists (do the research yourself to find the numbers)

I don't know what a "secular" response is, but your comments are ignorant beyond belief. I know you think Christianity is responsible for eveything right in the world, but even the most close-minded fool can see that many great things exist beyond Christian influence.

sciteach · 10-09-2002, 01:16 PM

You might be able to get all 'that good stuff' without 'religion' but did we acquire it without Christianity? That's the question that you refuse to address. You, your family, your descendants, and antecendants have and will all be influenced beyond what even you can imagine (which is apparently not vey much, you prefer to see just as far as the end of your nose and no further), and this is what troubles you all so.....this is off topic so if you want to take thia further then start a topic, and we'll get some historians to input too and see where we go...

Neruda · 10-09-2002, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by sciteach:
Yeah, you're right on there pal--they only gave us hospitals, education, work ethic, love your neighbor (not just your jewish friend), ended slavery twice.

We also have secular hospitals; fundametalist christianity is detrimental to education, not helpful; saying that only chrisitans have a work ethic has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard; I don't need a bible to keep me from killing my neighbor; and it was Christians who kept slaves! yeah, did you think about that at any point? The slave trade was founded by christians, operated by christians, and it was christians who profited from it. In fact, the Bible promotes slavery.

Peez · 10-09-2002, 01:29 PM

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Starboy:
Peez,

We appear to be in close agreement. I have no idea why you disagreed with my post to scigirl. Many Christians do NOT understand that science IS all natural and god need not apply. This was my point in a thread where there appears to be a Christian that doesn't understand this.

Aaak!

I seem to have misread what you posted, I apologize. My divinely-designed brain does not seem to be working perfectly.

Peez

sciteach · 10-09-2002, 01:31 PM

Boy, did I say that all non-christians dont currently have a work ethic?
Show me where in the bible that slavery is said to be a good thing?
Where's the evidence that Xians started slavery?
Quaker movement was instrumental in influencing Wilberforce to push for slavery's end in England, this started a movement in the US prior to the Civil War.
SomeXians owned slaves in the South. SO what, all landowners did--economic pressure required it, and besides, who said Xians were perfect? You never read that from my pen.

livius drusus · 10-09-2002, 01:32 PM

You know sciteach, you came to II full of inexplicable attitude, apologized for it and started this thread purporting to seek knowledge. So far, you have shown yourself either unwilling or incapable of responding to the detailed scientific posts and have instead focused on honing your polemical belligerence.

Answer the science or admit you cannot for whatever reason, but kindly spare us off-topic pablum like the we wouldn't have western science if it weren't for xianity 'argument'. If posters piss you off, at least think of the lurkers.

Won't somebody please think of the lurkers?

gravitybow · 10-09-2002, 01:37 PM

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sciteach:
You might be able to get all 'that good stuff' without 'religion' but did we acquire it without Christianity?

We might have acquired it centuries sooner and been generations ahead of where we are now but for that Christian brick wall known as the Dark Ages.

Peez · 10-09-2002, 01:39 PM

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Starboy:
Peez,

You are welcome to peruse my past posts to determine what I think about science. I have a good number of posts on the subject. If there is something in paricular you would like to ask, fire away. Although it appears to me that you have already started.

After you have looked them over then perhaps we can have a meaningful discussion. It does appear that you have a burr up your ..... saddle.

Well, I did finally find the, um, burr. Oooh, that feels much better.

Peez

MOJO-JOJO · 10-09-2002, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by sciteach:
You, your family, your descendants, and antecendants have and will all be influenced beyond what even you can imagine (which is apparently not vey much, you prefer to see just as far as the end of your nose and no further), and this is what troubles you all so....

sciteach, if nothing else I hope that you may begin to realize that your entire "faith belief" rests on this simple little statement you made.

It took me about a year to finally realize that religious notions ALL had to do with what we could imagine. The ONLY place that supersticious god and god-man beliefs exist is the same place where they originated....the imagination, "where all things are possible with God".

The realists here see MUCH farther than the ends of their noses. In fact, I would add that the significant difference between us is that we removed the bible that was AT the end of our noses, impeding our view of the world as it truly exists.

Peez · 10-09-2002, 01:44 PM

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sciteach:
Yeah, you're right on there pal--they only gave us hospitals, education, work ethic, love your neighbor (not just your jewish friend), ended slavery twice. Don't you know that it's unscientific to exalt and magnify the data against a movement, whilst ignoring the abundant data in its favor? It's what all humanists do. I wonder how many Saudi women are showing us there scientific expertise on web sites such as this?? Why does the 'West' have almost all the best scientists?? Please tell me the pat 'secular' response to this.

I find it repulsive that this person may be teaching young minds. In any event he is a troll.

DNFTT

Peez

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10-09-2002, 01:16 PM	#102
sciteach Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36	You might be able to get all 'that good stuff' without 'religion' but did we acquire it without Christianity? That's the question that you refuse to address. You, your family, your descendants, and antecendants have and will all be influenced beyond what even you can imagine (which is apparently not vey much, you prefer to see just as far as the end of your nose and no further), and this is what troubles you all so.....this is off topic so if you want to take thia further then start a topic, and we'll get some historians to input too and see where we go...

10-09-2002, 01:31 PM	#105
sciteach Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36	Boy, did I say that all non-christians dont currently have a work ethic? Show me where in the bible that slavery is said to be a good thing? Where's the evidence that Xians started slavery? Quaker movement was instrumental in influencing Wilberforce to push for slavery's end in England, this started a movement in the US prior to the Civil War. SomeXians owned slaves in the South. SO what, all landowners did--economic pressure required it, and besides, who said Xians were perfect? You never read that from my pen.

10-09-2002, 01:32 PM	#106
livius drusus Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Selva Oscura Posts: 4,120	You know sciteach, you came to II full of inexplicable attitude, apologized for it and started this thread purporting to seek knowledge. So far, you have shown yourself either unwilling or incapable of responding to the detailed scientific posts and have instead focused on honing your polemical belligerence. Answer the science or admit you cannot for whatever reason, but kindly spare us off-topic pablum like the we wouldn't have western science if it weren't for xianity 'argument'. If posters piss you off, at least think of the lurkers. Won't somebody please think of the lurkers?

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