Koyaanisqatsi

Goal?

The Bible contradicts itself. All anybody around here does is point that out.

Considering the fact that the character commonly referred to as "God" from the Judeo/Christian Bible (the one I'll assume you're referring to) is a fictional creation of unknown cult authors from over five thousand years ago, how do you propose any of us are "denying" anything about it?

Denial, in this context, means that one is refusing or otherwise deliberately pretending--in spite of the evidence--that something has been proven to factually exist. What evidence do you possess that would prove that this particular fictional character factually exists in order to assert anyone here denies it?

Again, atheists hold no beliefs in a god or gods, so if someone comes in here and asks us why, we respond.

You seem to be under the fallacious misperception that we all discuss with one another our lack of belief in a god or gods, when the majority of discussions here regarding our atheism is with theists.

Certainly there are those atheists who make their own "atheist declarations," I suppose, but if you'll notice, the vast majority of those are in order to illicit discussion or debate primarily from other theists who lurk here for precisely that reason.

Do you have a serious problem with individuals who decide to engage in discussion and/or debate regarding anything at all that happens to be on their minds at any given moment?

If so, then I politely suggest a freethinker's forum such as this website would not be the most comfortable place for you, yes?

No, actually, "we" are not, but even if "we" were, what relevance does that have, other than to betray in yourself a christian self-hatred (if indeed you are a christian), since that argument only reflects badly upon the christians that you seem to think we are emulating in a negative fashion?

Considering, again, that atheism is the antithesis of cults like christianity, why does that surprise you?

A = without
Theism = a belief in a god or gods

Does it shock you that the meaning of the word "atheism" is derived from the prefix being dependant upon the suffix?

No, it "must" not, but it often does. The majority of cult members who post here are, in fact, members of the christian cult, so it is only a matter of course that christianity is used as a reference point (that and the fact that many of the atheists here were themselves once members of the christian cult as well as the fact that the majority of people here are Americans, a christian controlled nation), but, again, of what relevance is that?

You, for example, simply said "God" previously, which forces us all to either assume you are speaking of the Judeo/Christian mythology or ask you to specify which god you're talking about in order for any of us to have a "reference point" to discuss your beliefs, yes?

We already have. The question, of course, is why haven't you?

Or did you think your observation to be in some manner piquant on its own?

You close with this as if you have made some sort of biting commentary with your post, yet, as you can plainly see, you've made no commentary at all, really, other than in a tone only recongnizable to yourself, I suppose.

Is there some point to your observation or are you just in the habit of mistaking irrelevant tautology for salient argumentation?

(edited for dyslexia - Koy)

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Starboy

Hi Ether,

I am an a-theist. To me all religion including Christianity is irrelevant. Everyone is born a-theistic so all religions are irrelevant to making new a-theists, however without newborn a-theists there would be no new Christians. Ether, you need us but we do not need you. That makes you irrelevant.

Have a nice day.

Starboy

Arrowman

Sorry, no. I agree with the rest of your post, but you got off to a bad start

"Atheist" is not "negative" - it is "without". It is not "anti-theism" and it is not "therefore in opposition to something".

Cheers
Arrowman

Waning Moon Conrad

If Atheism is equivalent to non-Theism, then Buddhism depends on Christianity. Trouble is Buddhism, pre-dates Christianity.

Autonemesis

Medical science wouldn't exist if people didn't get sick or injure themselves.

Mageth

Yeah, and asantaism couldn't live without Santa Claus.

Radcliffe Emerson

Maybe that's because in the US atheists deal with crap like GWB saying atheists should not be considered citizens back when he was governor.

Skeptical

Do you have a ref for that? I'm not doubting he said it, I'd just like to have some documentation of it.

Mageth

I think it was Bush Sr., not W, who said something to that effect during an early presidential campaign (1988?).

Viti

It was actually Daddy Bush

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