sophie

Taffer : I've been told that they get to go to heaven since God is always fair, and it wouldn't be fair if he threw them into hell, would it now.

I think they are calling this sort of argument "Accent" in logic. To answer the question it would be more than fair to get rid of the bastards.

Division By Zero

God sends people to hell as a punishment for sin.
Humans commit sins because God's universe was made in such a way that humans would commit sin.
If, as he claims, God does not want people to sin, then sin is a result of poor design.

sophie

Quantum Ninja : Well what do you expect from a perfect, omnipotent being that can't even follow his own commandments?

Thou shalt not kill... unless you're me.

Think of it this way : it is only a matter of an errant being not having a re-newable energy source. It is not killing.

Of course you should not kill, you are all equals. Don't kill each other over the spoils of the earth, over women and men and children, learn the rules of the universe. How much more plainly can the message be. Do you wish your hand held through every experience, so you would not kill?

Do not mistake omnipotent, with omnistupid. Everything could be possible, but some things are ruled out because of its unintelligent nature. Yes GOD is stupid, and GOD is smart, sure GOD is stupid enough not to be smart, but by the same token GOD is smart enough not to be stupid.

GOD chooses as GOD chooses, we are not GOD.

Doctor X

Psssssssssssst!

There is this wonderful function which involves placing the word "quote" and "/quote" inbetween brackets--[]--at the beginning and end, respectively, of quoted material.

This allows separation of quoted material and prevent confusion, peace without honor, and Britany Spears.

--J.D.

sophie

Division By Zero : God sends people to hell as a punishment for sin.
ME : Did GOD tell you this? or did you hear it word of mouth. Even so any rational being would realise that the Captain wants his teammates to be on his side. Let's take an Earth example. I play for the Brooklyn Dodgers, we are playing the White Sox, everytime the baseball comes my way, I fumble it purposely. What results, I lose my place on the team. Another Example. the coalition is at war with Iraq, I am in the chain of command, everytime some important message comes my way, I telegraph it to the Iraq command. I am found out. What happens. I am removed from the team.

Be sensible, you human, team player, drum that word into your head, team player. If you cannot play for the team you are off the team. How much more simple can it be?


Division By Zero : Humans commit sins because God's universe was made in such a way that humans would commit sin.
If, as he claims, God does not want people to sin, then sin is a result of poor design.

This is a very bad argument. Some crucial steps are missing. Firstly because the apple is there it does not mean you have to eat it. If GOD does not want people to commit sin, this is probably because people should learn more self-control in the big bad universe. Self-control is like flow, it allows one to enjoy individual experiences more adequately.

You seem to prefer dial a perfect experience. This relationship with GOD does not exist on this Earth. In Heaven perhaps...

sophie

Doctor X : ... This allows separation of quoted material and prevent confusion, peace without honor, and Britany Spears.

Well my good friend, you seem to want to be spoon fed, perhaps dial an experience suited to your liking is warranted. Welcome to the big bad individual world. Psssst.

Doctor X

I merely wish to prevent peasants from appearing as fools . . . noblese obligue, you know.

--J.D.

sophie

Perhaps the kind Docter X, might reflect the invisible GOD, may also wish the parasites of his spirit to acquire a unique sense of individuality through life on Earth.

Would you think this?

Sue Sponte

Were you going to address the issue raised by this thread at some point?

The above babble was entertaining reading, but didn't offer much to the question posed.

sophie

Sue, the above babble was entertaining reading, but didn't offer much to the question posed.

good for you, but you have to read strongly into the post.

Example : Christians who follow the current form of Christianity know their religion began with Jesus and lives and breathes through the life and times of Jesus.

This suggests a no pre-Christ era.

I do not have to spell it out do I?

Example : Christianity is an enclosed religion, perhaps if you worry about those before Christ with real concern other than with mocking glee, you could console your heart to think of them as Hindus, or perhaps as the ALL POWERFUL's original peoples.

This may suggest alternatives for those who do not realise there is a big bad world out there.


Sorry to babble in your ear. I had hoped it would have been both entertaining and instructive. Read it again, second readings, or third looks usually offer a lot missed on the first pass.