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Old 03-25-2003, 09:09 AM   #21
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As long as we're tossing out fantastical ideas, let's turn this around for a different perspective. Instead of there being an "uber-god", or a series of progressively greater uber-gods, suppose that "above" or before the god we "perceive" is a slightly less-capable god, and before that god an even less-capable god, and so on. God Evolution, so to speak, with each successive offspring of god ("our" god has a son, at least according to some accounts, no?) possibly outcompeting or replacing the prior god.

I'll leave it to the ever-capable Jobar to come up with names, if he so wishes.
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ah, the kaballah....a useless pile of superstitionist junk that babbles on incoherantly about God and still does not prove He exists. :banghead:

happyboy, still waiting for the explanation as to why, if the occult cannot affect real changes, it should be pursued at all
Flee witches, pagans, druids, kabbalahists flee I say! I beg thee be no more known. Hide thy books of shadows and thy trees of life. Bury thy robes and cords and disks, thy swords and daggers. He comes who would undo us.

Close thy circles and cast no more. The Hammer of Bones arrives and all is broken and in pieces. All is lost. Go no more into the sweet night. Abandon Luna. Light not the fires of pleasure and love. Burn thy holly and thy oak. He is at the gate. He enters even now.

Quiet, quiet little ones. Maybe it will pass. It will go by. Shh, shh, or it may hear thee in thy fear. It can hear thy heart and smell thy breath. It comes through cracks and lies in dust and waits for thee. It blinds the eyes and slits the skin. It burns the hair and bursts the ears. It binds to poles and lights the pyre . None escape it. None return. None are seen again.

Oh, speak no more of him mother, mother dear for we fear him as we would God who hates us and would eat us with cream if he could. And now has Gods servent come to prepare his plate. And shall we be his feast this night dear mother? Shall he who hates us as God hates us bleed and salt us. Shall he carry us to the tables of angels? Does he wipe the corners of Gods mouth? Does he feed under Gods table. At Gods feet?

Hush, hush my dear ones lest he know thy fear and take thee. He who came once, comes again. He who is the will of God. He who burns the body seeks new flesh. He who is the Hammer of Bones listens at the door. No sound my dear ones, no sound.

We have know the hidden times. We can be gone yet still be here. We can bide and this shall pass. They are weak and foolish and quickly tire of things. We shall bide. We were before them and will be after. We shall bide. We shall bide.
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And happyboy's anger issues raise their ugly heads again!

Anyway.

You could always go with the Gnostic heresy, which, IIRC, says that the God of the old testament was actually an evil demiurge, and the God of the new testament, and Jesus, came down to show us a better path to Heaven than by appeasing the evil one.

It also seems to imply (again, IIRC) that there is a progression of Gods, from the REALLY REALLY COOL GOOD God at the top, to the Really cool good God he created, to the sorta-cool god HE created, etc, down to the REALLY EVIL BASTARD God who created Earth.
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As long as we're tossing out fantastical ideas, let's turn this around for a different perspective. Instead of there being an "uber-god", or a series of progressively greater uber-gods, suppose that "above" or before the god we "perceive" is a slightly less-capable god, and before that god an even less-capable god, and so on. God Evolution, so to speak, with each successive offspring of god ("our" god has a son, at least according to some accounts, no?) possibly outcompeting or replacing the prior god.
Ahhh, Mageth, don't you see that this theory is useless, as it does not address the thorny problem of atheogenesis?

JTVrocher, that was extraordinarily powerful. A quote, I presume- where is it from?
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Ahhh, Mageth, don't you see that this theory is useless, as it does not address the thorny problem of atheogenesis?

JTVrocher, that was extraordinarily powerful. A quote, I presume- where is it from?
I can not tell.

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