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Magus55 · 06-17-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Opera Nut
OH, and if atheists have no moral standards then why are the VAST majority of violent criminals who are in jail for murder, etc. Christians?? Including serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer??

Or Karla Faye Tucker, the tiny woman who killed a six foot tall woman and a large man with a PICKAX??? And left the pickax in Deborah Thornton's CHEST???

Or Hitler, the good Catholic??

And don't give me that crap that they didn't know right from wrong before they became Christians. EVERYBODY knows that killing someone just because you feel like it, in a civilian situation, is WRONG. Everybody knows that. You don't need Xtianity to know that murdering somebody in cold blood is wrong.

We don't know whether or not any of them were really saved. Claiming you are Christian doesn't necessarily make you one.

Hitler despised Christianity. He renounced it, and very doubtfully was saved.

Stalin oth, was atheist and killed twice as many people as Hitler.

Gods forgiveness is never ending. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, has the opportunity to be saved. Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient for everyone that seeks Him.

hezekiah jones · 06-17-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Opera Nut
Including serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer??

Oy. Jeff was not a cannibal. My work never ends.

hezekiah jones · 06-17-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
Claiming you are Christian doesn't necessarily make you one.

Since most of you can agree on very little, of course it does.

Opera Nut · 06-17-2003, 10:09 PM

"We don't know whether or not any of them were really saved."

Nice copout there.

winstonjen · 06-18-2003, 12:07 AM

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Christ's death was a death like one of any other person. All the things said about Jesus are mythology.

Except that he came back to life, making the 'sacrifice' nonexistent.

emotional · 06-18-2003, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Gods forgiveness is never ending. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, has the opportunity to be saved. Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient for everyone that seeks Him.

So if Hitler accepted Jesus on his deathbed, then he was subsequently allowed to pass all his crimes scott-free? Where's the justice?

There ain't no justice nor mercy in Christianity. Those who need to be brought to justice never are, and those who deserve mercy never get it. "Christian morality" is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Opera Nut · 06-18-2003, 10:21 AM

That's what Nietschze called "moralic acid".

Magus55 · 06-18-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Originally posted by Opera Nut
Including serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer??

Oy. Jeff was not a cannibal. My work never ends.

Yes he was.

winstonjen · 06-18-2003, 02:15 PM

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Gods forgiveness is never ending. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, has the opportunity to be saved. Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient for everyone that seeks Him.

If that were true, he would extend forgiveness to everyone AFTER death, when irrefutable proof of his existence could be shown.

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Yes he was.

And Hitler was a Christian. Even the RCC supported him (Italy was an ally in WW2, remember). Perhaps that's why you hate them so much.

Magus55 · 06-18-2003, 02:39 PM

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If that were true, he would extend forgiveness to everyone AFTER death, when irrefutable proof of his existence could be shown.

And then everyone would automatically seek forgiveness, since they know Hell is real - even if they don't really give a crap about God. They will just do it to avoid punishment. Sorry, doesn't work that way. God doesn't want anyone in Heaven who doesn't want to be there.

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hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Yes he was a Born Again Christian but ... Originally posted by Opera Nut Including serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer?? Oy. Jeff was not a cannibal. My work never ends.

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06-17-2003, 09:38 PM	#53
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Magus55 Claiming you are Christian doesn't necessarily make you one. Since most of you can agree on very little, of course it does.

06-17-2003, 10:09 PM	#54
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	"We don't know whether or not any of them were really saved." Nice copout there.

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Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	That's what Nietschze called "moralic acid".

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