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Old 04-25-2003, 09:13 PM   #81
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C) Who the heck is Franklin and where is your documentation for said such incident? And WHY on Gawd's Green Earth do you think for a minute that dem "Evil Atheists" have no interest in building things such as hospitals without religious motivation???
Because it would go against his stereotype of atheists. '

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Yes he does answer some prayers and not others. What's the problem?
It shows that he plays favourites. Does that mean that he'll randomly punish 1 in 2 unbelievers on Judgement Day?
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Old 04-25-2003, 09:15 PM   #82
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It has never been about us. It has always been about Him. He is the one who deserves the glory. He is the one we need to beocme like. Does he take our free will away by asking us to choose to become one with him in heart? No.
No, he prefers to do that using mass murdering 'natural' disasters.

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Does he take our free will away by asking us to seek him, to desire nothing more than him? No. We still have the choice not to do that.

However, why would we want to. He is the creator. He knows best how the creation is to work.

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Only when things go wrong he wants to destroy them all rather than fix the problem. :boohoo:
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Old 04-25-2003, 09:17 PM   #83
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The other verses indicate that he wants to brainwash us, remove our free will and free thoughts, and replace them with his, so that we are not our old selves anymore.
That's been a common skeptics' recommendation, after thinking about the free will issue we keep raising. As I pointed out above, one day we hear God should have made us so we couldn't sin, and the next that Jesus is trying to brainwash us and take away our right to choose.

You gotta love it.

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Yeah, I agree - god is pretty fucked up - someone should kick his ass.
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It shows that he plays favourites.
Or that he doesn't work miracles for people who would rebell anyway, or let people make bad choices and expect God to bail them out. But I suppose you think he should let you drink all you want, and just replace your liver on demand.

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Does that mean that he'll randomly punish 1 in 2 unbelievers on Judgement Day?
We refer to that, in the industry, as a non-sequiter I believe. Nah, you get to judge yourself on judgement day, by your own rules.

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Hey you aren't another 25 year old JM'er by chance?
I haven't the slightest idea what you are referring to here.
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I've answered your inane questions several times. You just don't get around much, or have a short memory apparently.
Heyyyy, feel that Christian love!!! Radorth, I guess there are a few words of wisdom in the Bible (whether original or borrowed, it matters not...) - "By their fruits ye shall know them".

I smell some rotting fruit. Ewwwww.
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We refer to that, in the industry, as a non-sequiter I believe. Nah, you get to judge yourself on judgement day, by your own rules.

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Ah, so THAT'S how god gets out of going to hell - he judges himself. I suppose this means that all unbelievers get to go to paradise too. I'd be happy if heaven was more than simply kissing god's ass all day every day for eternity. :boohoo:

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I smell some rotting fruit. Ewwwww.
Quick! Someone get the pesticide...I mean...Radicide!
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I'm sure there are others I am not thinking of right now.
Gee, if you can't remember off the top of your head all the hoops you have to jump through to bend the Almighty's ear, when does He ever answer your prayers?

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How do xians weasel out of this? The only way out I see is to claim that those who don't have prayers answered don't believe! There are no other options that I can see.
Apparently, if you forget to cross an "i" or dot a "t", Jehovah won't answer either.
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COAS debate rule number 17:

Skeptics can say a Christian has a pinecone up his ass, call him an asshole and a worse witness than Hitler, and still be considered a loving person, but a Christian who calls a skeptics's question "inane" is not capable of loving people.

Have I got it yet?

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I haven't the slightest idea what you are referring to here.
Er, I'm asking if you are about 25, think Jesus didn't exist, and the Bible stories were taken from old legends, Mithrai, etc. Is that helpful?

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COAS debate rule number 17:

Skeptics can say a Christian has a pinecone up his ass, call him an asshole and a worse witness than Hitler, and still be considered a loving person, but a Christian who calls a skeptics's question "inane" is not capable of loving people.
I don't think he means 'incapable of loving', merely hypocritical by not practising what he claims to follow. It's an Ad Hominem to boot.
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