Vanderzyden

What rules?

What does "being good" have to do with it? (This is my point, implicitly)

From where do you get your notions of this "ascending to heaven"?

Vanderzyden

Vanderzyden

A good question, which you must answer for yourself.

To what great lengths have you gone to discover the answer?

Vanderzyden

Vanderzyden

Have you read the Bible with an open mind?

Surely you know what I am asking.

Vanderzyden

K

RJS:

Here are some watered down overviews.
<a href="http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/po8c.htm" target="_blank">Overview of Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle</a>

<a href="http://www.staff.brad.ac.uk/fweinert/QMConference.htm" target="_blank">Quantum Non-Causality</a>


Here's a brief history.
<a href="http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/The_Quantum_age_begins.html" target="_blank">Quantum Mechanics History</a>


Here's a view in Bohr's own words about his debates with Einstein on the subject.
<a href="http://www.emr.hibu.no/lars/eng/schilpp/Default.html" target="_blank">Bohr on Bohr-Einstein</a>


If you want more, just search for Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle or Quantum Mechanics and causality.

K

Jobar:

Oops - I had already posted when I read your suggestion. Sorry.

Vanderzyden

X,

Which is it, do your deny or reject God? There is a difference.

If it is denial, then I find it far more amazing that you deny God. I can understand why you would reject him, but not why you would deny his existence. However, that is for another thread (as Jobar indicates).

Now, if you reject him, then it is most certainly your choice. That would mean that you have somehow learned something about him and find him repugnant. Of course, for your own good, you need to ask yourself if what you have learned of him has the ring of truth.

Are you certain that you have accurate information concerning the characteristics of God?

Vanderzyden

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daemon

Yes. Heck, I even read it with the belief it was true.
No, I don't. There are a dozen ways to interpret what you've asked; which do you mean?

For example, if by rightly you mean "in accord with my morals at the time," then I'd have to answer yes. If you mean "in accord with my current morals," I'd have to answer no.

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K

Vanderzyden:

I don't reject God. How could I reject something I don't believe in?

Do you deny or reject (or accept) pixies?

Vanderzyden

Then make your objection clear. You have demonstrated no contradictions.

Please understand, I do not "wish" for you to believe in Jesus. There is no quota for me to meet. If I would persuade you of anything, it would be to seek the truth in everything, especially the crucial matter of preparing for your unavoidable death.

No sir, they do not. This is a common objection made by those who have not read them carefully nor undertaken to understand the meaning.

Please tell me, in your own words, what is the single most obvious contradiction in the gospels, or the entire NT for that matter. Please demonstrate your case with examples from the text.

Oh, I should mention something: If your last sentence is indicative of how serious you see this matter, then I think I will disengage from our discussion. Your next reply will confirm that for me.

Vanderzyden

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RJS

K - thanks. If you want to start a new thread in whatever forum is appropriate, I have a few questions.