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Old 02-26-2003, 06:26 PM   #71
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scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes?
That's one of the reasons peer review is essential. Remember the cold fusion guys? No one else has credibly been able to reproduce their experiment. A non-repeatable result is no result at all. Mistakes are caught because the scientific method and the peer review system were created to ensure that they are. The cold fusion embarassment occurred because the investigators (I'm being polite) were impatient, and thought their results were so extraordinary, so revolutionary, that they could not wait for review and publication to reveal their invention to the public. They thought that stuff was all formality, especially with a result so important like the one they thought they had obtained. They found out how wrong they were, and paid for it with their careers (Careers as scientists. As cult leaders, they have a bright future).

Fallibility is unavoidable, true enough, and that's why credibility is paramount.
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We are discussing God, not physical matter. How do you think Heaven is lit? Not by the Sun - God's own holiness emits light.

Why in the blue hell would heaven need to be lit? Do supernatural beings with supernatural eyes need supernatural light to see?
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Since you don't believe in God, this is moot anyway, but just assume he exists for sake of creation and he is omnipotent - he can do what ever the heck he wants. Including things that defy logic - Non-physical light, as in spiritual light, that which doesn't contain matter. God's omnipotence isn't a hard concept. He can do anything that doesn't defy his own nature.
By that logic I'm omnipotent also. I can't do anything that defies my nature either.
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What is the spectral energy distribution of "God's Holiness"?

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The insults aren't necessary. If you can't discuss the conversation then don't reply.
Not sure who you are addressing here...

Comments, sarcastic though they may be, that challenge the logic you use to arrive at your conclusions are common in debate.

It would appear to some that you simply do not want to address uncomfortable points.
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What is the spectral energy distribution of "God's Holiness"?

It's called the electromagic spectrum. This magic energy sure is interesting stuff.
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It's called the electromagic spectrum. This magic energy sure is interesting stuff.

We use that in Disney Universe.
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Nope, its not a contradiction. In Gen 1, God is giving the day by day account of creation.
Oh really? On the third day he made flowering plants (Gen 1:11-13), and on the fifth day (Gen 1:20-23) he made fish: “Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, [...]. And God created [...] every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind” (whales and birds snipped).

So perhaps, if this is an accurate description, you can tell us why we get fish from the Cambrian onward, but no flowering plants till the late Jurassic? That’s a gap of at least three hundred million years. Where is all the Devonian pollen? Because angiosperm pollen is bloody everywhere after the Cretaceous.

Are you not curious about this?
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Gen 2 he summarized Gen 1 and concentrated on Day 6, where he created Adam and Eve - since humans are the ultimate purpose of his creation.
So why in chapter 2, if the days 1-5 stuff had already happened and day 6 is the human bit, are humans made before plants?
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- since humans are the ultimate purpose of his creation.
And that’s why he gave us a coccyx, a tendency to choke on our food and the recurrent laryngeal nerve, is it? That’s why he gave us a broken gene for making vitamin C, and a chromosome 2 with telomeres in the middle? If you’d like me to explain the significance of any of these, just ask. But please don’t side-step or ignore them, because they utterly undermine what you’re saying.

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scientific evidence from fallible humans - you don't think physicists make lots of mistakes?
Well the Bible you keep referring to was also written by fallible humans. You don't think prehistoric Middle Eastern writers made lots of mistakes?
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It's called the electromagic spectrum. This magic energy sure is interesting stuff.

Uh... I guess you don't know what the phrase "spectral energy distribution" means. Never mind.
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Guys, I wish Magus and River could get together and, you know, fight the hell out of each other.
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