Vinnie

My boiling point isn't that high. Some people won't boil until 5027 degrees celsius but such is the nature and diversity of life on earth.

You are unbelievable. What really irks me is that none of your atheists counterparts will call you on this blatant ....uh...er.. "very bad argumentation".

Signed,
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Vorkosigan

Vinnie, it's a matter of interpretation. Generally, everyone interprets it non-literally, apparently on the handy exegetical principle that everything in the New Testament that calls for something difficult and painful is metaphorical. But there seems to be nothing Matthew 5 that would indicate Jesus is speaking otherwise. Perhaps you can point to some specific passage or comment in there that indicates Jesus' words are not meant to be taken literally?

In any case, theology is your fantasy, not ours. You got problems with Goliath's point, demolish it on your own.

Vorkosigan

Vinnie

This has nothing to with theology. This has nothing to do with anything for me. It has zero relevance to my beliefs. Its simnply poor hermeneutics. I've stated a reason why it might be figurative: you can lust with one eye. Not to mention, Jesus overstated things on numerous occasians. And Origin appears to be the only possible evidence of one who took this view literally. Is there evidence of early one-eye Christians? If anything, agnosticism is the prudent course of action on this.

Yes, people water things down they find difficult to accept. What does that have to do with my interpretation of the passage? I could care less of either outcome. There would be two following problems: Did Jesus say this? And even if he did, so what? What makes this comment a moral law of the universe that I need to uphold? Nothing.

Vinnie

Ernest Sparks

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Is this connected to the next two verses? (Do the conjunctions 'and' divide or continue Jesus' saying?)

It looks like He is saying that if you already got her eyeballed and your hand is already moving to pat that sweet butt, then here's what you should do.

Kosh

Of course, it could be that he was talking to a guy who'd already lost one eye. This would make a lot of sense, since he should have said "if your eyes cause you to lust...". So, I think it's quite possible that he was talking literally to a one eyed man.

Sound far fetched? It shouldn't. This is the same type of gap filling that Xians go through to harmonize the synoptic easter accounts.

Goliath

Vinnie,

Could've fooled me. Most posts aren't edited by moderators because of insults.

Another attempt at 3rd grade humor, eh? Well, if it makes you feel any better, then go right ahead.

As I've pointed out many, many times, my argument is irrefutable. It has been shown to be irrefutable many times in this thread.

Ah, so your boiling point isn't high, but you've snapped to the point where you think your name is now 4f14 5d6 6s2?

Sincerely,

Goliath

Vinnie

"Its quite possible" is not equivalent to "irrefutible proof that this is the case".

So Goliath is arguing like a typical, close minded fundamentalist Christian? We agree on that much

Vinnie

Vinnie

That was a very perceptive observation on your part. Let me give you a cookie for showing such skill. *Hands Goliath a cookie* Dats fo yuor mad skillz, dawg!


You got the third grade humor (that number was the boiling point of osmium) but, apparently, you missed the 8th grade humor.

I know you are but what am I?

This is the 8th grade humor that you missed.

Vinnie

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