Milton

darwinian evolution has not been seen (though it has been imagined by darwinists).

we travel around the world...hundreds if not thousands of flights per day... quite different from evolution where the only answer is, 'we have not had any major change in the environment' or any other excuse....

CaptainOfOuterSpace

Perhaps some people's inability to grasp evolution is because of their inability to conceptualize very large quantities. For example, when we think about the solar system, it's perfectly normal to imagine the planets and the sun as billiard balls on a rubber sheet. A similar analogy is used for subatomic particles. This is simply because our minds have an instinct to scale things down (or up) to our level so that we understand them better. I doubt if anyone can imagine an actual full-size solar system in his or her mind.

However, it gets a bit trickier when the scaling applies to time. Humans are comfortable with time scales in the order of years, or perhaps decades. For a person to "imagine" a hundred years going by is already a stretch. A thousand years may very well be the limit of one's imagination.

Evolution deals with time intervals in the order of millions, if not billions, of years. Conceptualizing evolution on the grand scale takes quite an imagination indeed. The kind of proof you want can only be found by observing a million years of life. But because we can't do that, we are left only to look at the indirect evidence for evolution.

Of course it's easier to accept the naïve explanation: "I believe the Earth is 6000 years old because my ancestors and I can't imagine numbers bigger than that." Oh, and, "therefore, evolution isn't true."

Wyz_sub10

If you are ignorant of the facts, how do you know it cannot be taught as a fact because it is not proven?

I'm going to guess that when it comes to evolution your definition of "proven" varies quite a bit from your definition of "proven" as it pertains to most other things.

I could be wrong, of course.

Wyz_sub10

Yes it has. You might want to visit Talk Origins. Excellent site for educating oneself.

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we travel around the world...hundreds if not thousands of flights per day... quite different from evolution where the only answer is, 'we have not had any major change in the environment' or any other excuse....

Wow. What are you even talking about? Seriously, if you want to challenge evolutionary biology, feel free to so so.

But to begin with, this isn't really the forum to do it in. But more importantly, if you decide to take this route please try to at least gain a better understanding of evolutionary biology.

If I want to argue bible history with a theologian, I had best not walk in unprepared. I suggest you prepare yourself if you want to discuss evolution with some of the board members here.

Seriously, you will get buried if you walk into such a debate with no knowledge of science.

SaintCaffeine

Wyz_sub10 – Thanks for that site. The FAQ page was really helpful. Most of the questions SignOfTheCross raised here about what is fact, what is theory, what has been observed etc. in the evolutionary debate is answered with a lot of clarity there. Appreciate the link.

Normal

I'd like to know why so many people hinge their faith on evolution being proven wrong? What is the difference? That's like hinging your faith in Thor on believing that something other then nature causes thunder.

Milton

you say I don't know, just because I don't agree... besides, i have not made any call or challenge, i only made a point. i only pointed out the mistake of equating darwiniam theory with the theory of gravity (and then with the idea that darwinism is as valid as the idea of the earth being spherical).

Milton

Ahh...you are being a bit too honest.

you see why so many like to put belief in darwinian evolution on the same level of faith. of course, faith has the implication of religion, so darwinists don't like it....therefore try to redicule those who say so.

Heathen Dawn

Anyone who disagrees with the theory of evolution just doesn't know enough about it.

It's not a mistake. We can see evolution both before our eyes (bacteria evolving resistance to antibiotics) and in historical hindsight (the fossil record, homologies, DNA code sharing, vestigial organs and various types of stupid design which don't make sense for an intelligent creator).

Macro-evolution can't be seen directly before our eyes, but it can be simulated.

Milton

whatever you say...