kitsune

We shrivel up and decay while maintaining a low level of consciousness i.e the senses are gone and the vitals are dead but whatever else consciousness consists of - it's still functioning.

Then the microbes and bacteria get us and we once again become part of life through these things.

The human consciousness that was, is first reduced and then broken apart and expanded into discrete multiples.


Well, that was scenario 1.

In the scenario 2, a voice asks me while I lie in the coffin "be whatever the f you now want to be...create your own reality and enter it".
So I choose to be re-born into the Tolkien universe as the Vampire Lestat.

Whatever, man.

crocodile deathroll

However IMO you cannot possilby have any sense of time while you are lying in the coffin and you will be as equally oblivious to a nonosecond as you would be to a trillion trillion years.

But I hedge my bets on the idea that the unverse will spontaniously reorentate your sense of self to another brain where can gain some sense of the passage of time.

If I wanted to wish for one the impossible alternatives for afterlives I would like to come back as a Vampire just for the pleasure of sinking my fangs into a few fundies.

ComestibleVenom

I know, isn't that scary?

But you know, there are even more terrifying things that ARE true. For instance, people are willing to slaughter thousands of innocents for the sake of imaginary friends.

ComestibleVenom

Why hedge your bets in wishful thinking when you can get the jackpot of truth?

crocodile deathroll

What is the "jackpot of Truth"?
Wishful thinking is believing you will enter the Kingdom of God for being a good Xtian or you are going to Paradise to sit on the right side of Allah for being a good Muslim.

crocodile deathroll

I think that is ridiculous, this life does have purpose for a secularist as they are focused only on the pleasures of this life and not deluding themselves that they have to make unreasonable sacrifices in this one to enter Heaven.

If dedicated xtian monk discovers there really is no heaven he is just left living miserable life in a monastery for nothing, period

ComestibleVenom

It not only natural for some people to focus upon things greater than themselves. Secularists may be virtuous to the detriment of their own pleasure.

emotional

The whole premise of naturalism is that there is no purpose, that everything is a mindless process of evolution just grinding away, and that we are no more than disposable vessels for our genes, to be discarded after they have served their "purpose" of giving rise to the next generation.

I believe in an afterlife that is a continuation of this life on earth: life in an astral plane instead of the material plane, in an astral body instead of a material body, with a new awareness of things. Life that is just as challenging and progressive as the one we have now. I don't believe in the boring afterlife of Christian eschatology, or in the corrupt porno palace of Islam. I'm an NDE-Literalist, I take the descriptions of NDEs as a literal account of what happens after bodily death.

And yes, I believe animals have life after death too. All conscious animals. Cats do, horses do, humans do. Bacteria don't, 'cos they aren't conscious. I fully acknowledge that, since evolution is true, then the scenario that only humans have life after death can't be true.

ComestibleVenom

So neuronal experiences that can be induced by oxygen deprivation, stress or electromagnetic intervention somehow give an account of what happens when you don't have a brain?

crocodile deathroll

Yes what is wrong with that?
Has science ever identified what the energy make up of these discarnate spirits you speak of? Have you ever had an NDE?
I often find the biggest proponents of this nonsense are those who just read up on anecdotes and have never had one themselves.
And while you are alive in this life, what is the glue that makes them stick to you body made of?

Why do Alzheimer's and brain damaged patients lose much of their memories of this life with damage to their physical brains?

Are you claiming that all these memories miraculously return back after they die?